Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

Why were you trying to kill him last night?

Also what is wrong with Lady Gaga's music? Nothing. Her style might be freaky, and tht is something I don't like, but otherwise judging her music, she is by far one of the better songwriters out there right now.

Originally Posted by ULC

I suggest less scummy posts TC. If a potential scum presents themselves we should follow up on it and not depend on power roles.

Vote:Earthling

Of course, because runaway bandwagons in a game this size are so very useful.

Originally Posted by thefluffyone93

I just read 5 pages containing, well, stuff.
Was I supposed to understand all of these arguments?

I'm better off Lolly-Gagging and dilly-dallying and such.....

Vote: Chaotix

If you don't know why, good, cuz' neither do I.

Sums up about what I think.
I don't know either, but sounds good enough for me! Vote: Chaotix
I don't see a legitimate argument for anyone anyway.

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Tally

Montmorency: 1 (Tratorix)
Earthling: 12 (Sasaki, ACIN, Pizza, Beskar, Cahoma, Diy, TLD, McCrow, Arjos, Seon, Warman, ULC)
ACIN: 3 (Earthling, Jarema, Renata)
Visorslash: 1 (Diamondeye)
Pizza: 1 (Stranger)
Diamondeye: 1 (Xehh II)
Silver Jan: 1 (edse)
Camikaze: 1 (TinCow)

so now we know who got an extra trait... keep an eye on this guy!

Originally Posted by hero di classico

Why were you trying to kill him last night?

Also what is wrong with Lady Gaga's music? Nothing. Her style might be freaky, and tht is something I don't like, but otherwise judging her music, she is by far one of the better songwriters out there right now.

I like Katy Perry more.

Originally Posted by TinCow

Of course, because runaway bandwagons in a game this size are so very useful.

Roll-eyes smilie, TC? *raised eyebrows* And what were you up to last night? *whips out notebook, pushes glasses up nose*

Originally Posted by The Stranger

so now we know who got an extra trait... keep an eye on this guy!

"You now have the ability to solo vig anyone guilty of excessive unvoting, what constitutes excessive is for you to decide. This kill breaks through any protections and ignores any traits."

Originally Posted by TinCow

Of course, because runaway bandwagons in a game this size are so very useful.

Hey, game is way to big anyhow, so got to kill people off somehow .

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

"You now have the ability to solo vig anyone guilty of excessive unvoting, what constitutes excessive is for you to decide. This kill breaks through any protections and ignores any traits."

im dissapointed i expected some more creativity from you when making up traits.

Originally Posted by The Stranger

im dissapointed i expected some more creativity from you when making up traits.

I seem to be disappointing everyone lately.

Originally Posted by Renata

Roll-eyes smilie, TC? *raised eyebrows* And what were you up to last night? *whips out notebook, pushes glasses up nose*

Playing Minecraft 1.8 and drinking a bottle of Blaufränkisch. Also, picking up dog poop.

I want Earthling lynched. Unsure about the "Wobbly" connection, as the IWW was in sharp decline by this point IRL; however, he's overreacting to accusations against him, and I don't want a repeat of the dramaaaaa that captivated the first half ATPG's Mafia II.

That said, he seems doomed now, so I'll use this opportunity to start badgering people in my charming yet effective manner:

Vote: a completely inoffensive name

Who organised the vig group you partook in?

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I seem to be disappointing everyone lately.

Where is my tribute?

Originally Posted by TinCow

Of course, because runaway bandwagons in a game this size are so very useful.

You didn't decry the bandwagon, you decried that anyone was voting for him in the first place. It was a deflection, not a call to common sense.

Originally Posted by ACIN

A. Killing townies for fun is what I do when no one gives me orders.

Just as an aside for new players' benefit, I can confirm this.

All investigation and night action results have been pm'd.

If you believe I missed yours, please re-PM me the orders and I will double check.

Originally Posted by Erebus

The interesting thing about Sly being wounded is the fact that it said he "won’t be attending today’s meeting." This sounds like a role I've seen in other mafia games called a blackmailer.

Basically make it so someone can't talk for a day. (the version I played allowed them to still vote).

I've seen this kind of role in other games, too, and it sucks for the person playing them. But, yes, I suppose this is one possibility.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

To new players of the game, that wasn't a joke.

Earthling is using the code word "Wobbly" to meet his communist buddies. They're an anti-town cult bent on third party victory.

I might be neutral but I ain't no bloody commie.

I was planning on getting behind this, but...

Originally Posted by edse

At least get the video right if you're going to post Lady Gaga

Save Earth and vote for Silver Jan

Vote: Silver Jan

May I ask you to be more specific in your reasoning, edse?

Originally Posted by ULC

You didn't decry the bandwagon, you decried that anyone was voting for him in the first place. It was a deflection, not a call to common sense.

Oh, please. I stand by my statement. The Earthling case is a distraction. Early on in a game like this it is best to get as much information about what we're dealing with as possible. It's pointless to even expect good lynches at this point. The goals should be to get more information about the game set up and to get people talking so that their posts can be referenced again later. A bandwagon on someone who isn't even accused of being a mafioso is a waste of time. Lynch him by all means, there is no better candidate that I see, but spread the votes out and pressure multiple people. The Earthling wagon means you're letting 115 people walk through this day without any concerns at all. This is pretty basic mafia-wagon stuff.

vote: ACIN

um, if the acin statement is true, is there any particular reason why in a game with 118 or whatever people a person with critically game-breaking information should be left alive? If he was townie he could just be axed/wog'd, no difference balance wise if a game had 117 or 118. If he was a different mafia group/important role, like another Don, obviously there are some balance issues with that which makes it difficult to just wog the role. I'm not from the org, but I know the ATPG (II?) used some dead players to replace other players right? ACIN could easily be replaced by a generic townie who dies early on. Even wiseguy/commie/anti-commie could probably be wogged or easily replaced by any generic townie early on death.

so his statement is either a really stupid lie imo (just as a way to try to extend his life, be it townie or mafia or whatever), or his involvement of the game with such information is just fundamentally broken and completely breaks everything I know about mafia and balance.

it is extremely disturbing to me.

Originally Posted by TinCow

Oh, please. I stand by my statement. The Earthling case is a distraction. Early on in a game like this it is best to get as much information about what we're dealing with as possible. It's pointless to even expect good lynches at this point. The goals should be to get more information about the game set up and to get people talking so that their posts can be referenced again later. A bandwagon on someone who isn't even accused of being a mafioso is a waste of time. Lynch him by all means, there is no better candidate that I see, but spread the votes out and pressure multiple people. The Earthling wagon means you're letting 115 people walk through this day without any concerns at all. This is pretty basic mafia-wagon stuff.

So you want us to look at ALL 115 people in one sitting ?

Originally Posted by Kennigit

so his statement is either a really stupid lie imo (just as a way to try to extend his life, be it townie or mafia or whatever), or his involvement of the game with such information is just fundamentally broken and completely breaks everything I know about mafia and balance

There's not much point speculating about Mr. Cal King - he's a rogue player, and loves it. More than anything else, he will desire to upend your expectations and subvert the game. You have to drag the truth out of him like a particularly long and sticky booger through numerous hard and direct questions.

Vote: Arjos

Hey, hey, I say. If it ain't a Mafioso, my judgement may only be so-so.

Originally Posted by Subotan

There's not much point speculating about Mr. Cal King - he's a rogue player, and loves it. More than anything else, he will desire to upend your expectations and subvert the game. You have to drag the truth out of him like a particularly long and sticky booger through numerous hard and direct questions.

If someone has knowledge about the mafia from the very beginning because of a PM mistake, in a game with 118 (or however many there are) players, I see no reason for that person to not be removed for the game.

sucks for ACIN, but having him play "pretending" he doesn't know this information is stupid. Which is why is surprises me that earthling or anyone else may ask ACIN to reveal the name publicly, since it's just a stupid situation all around and should just be removed from the game.

ACIN should be killed by the GM or should be replaced immediately. Since the GM didn't indicate any of this, I see it as just a rather extreme metagamey lie.

Originally Posted by Kennigit

If someone has knowledge about the mafia from the very beginning because of a PM mistake, in a game with 118 (or however many there are) players, I see no reason for that person to not be removed for the game.

A PM mistake that was the fault of the mafia in question - were it a GM mistake, I would agree.

There are three possible scenarios:

1. He's bluffing; we get that name out of him, realise it's wrong. ACIN ends up dead.
2. He is telling the truth; we get the name out of him, realise it is correct. Town spares ACIN's life, yippeeeeee
3. The mafia faction in question kills him and absolves of a problem.

We will get that name out of him eventually. I expect by the mid-late game there will be enough pressure on him to force it out.

Originally Posted by thefluffyone93

Vote: Chaotix

If you don't know why, good, cuz' neither do I.

Because he's Chaotix, duh. Seriously though, as much as I like bandwagons I also like spreading votes around and I'm inclined to believe that Chaotix was serious about forming his Mafia group

unvote, vote: Chaotix

as to the scandal soon to be known as ACINGate I'd say it would be a very harsh judgement to remove someone from the game on the account of an accident that was not his fault at all. If I was the host I would not reward the Mafia for such a slip and if I was acin I'd be extremely pissed if I was forced out of the game on someone else's mistake.

Last game an entire mafia family was outed due to the idiot mistake of one of its members, and Seamus let that happen. Also, it's not really game-unbalancing at all if ACIN is a wiseguy with potential to go mafia easily or a fellow mafioso from a different team, or something like that. The scenario itself isn't actually ridiculous. It's just that it's ACIN, and how he's talking about it.

Originally Posted by Renata

Last game an entire mafia family was outed due to the idiot mistake of one of its members, and Seamus let that happen. Also, it's not really game-unbalancing at all if ACIN is a wiseguy with potential to go mafia easily or a fellow mafioso from a different team, or something like that. The scenario itself isn't actually ridiculous. It's just that it's ACIN, and how he's talking about it.

I have to admit that I don't really see, given the set-up of this game, how a PM mistake isn't very similar to someone Scummy inadvertently posting in the Game thread what was meant for the Scum thread. So, yeah.

Vote: ULC. I was going to accuse you of unnecessary bandwagoning, but I see TinCow beat me to it. So I'll just vote for you instead.

If I have two votes, I would vote for ACIN and Earthling in an instant. The usage of the word 'Wobbly' is obvious lynch-worthy, but I couldn't care less if he is a communist. On the other hand ACIN's normaly fun behaviour in this game would not be helpful at all - more backstabbing/betrayals is definitely bad for the town, better to off a confirmed random-er earlier than later.

Vote: ACIN

Originally Posted by Kennigit

so his statement is either a really stupid lie imo (just as a way to try to extend his life, be it townie or mafia or whatever), or his involvement of the game with such information is just fundamentally broken and completely breaks everything I know about mafia and balance.

Yeah, that looks pretty off to me as well. "Ooh look at me, I have secret info! Don't kill me or you'll never know it!" Yeah, sure buddy.

vote: ACIN