Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

"inactivity" is not a defense, seeing as we've already hit what appear to be several inactive or lurking gangsters. I'm willing to bet some flip scum soon.

What is a defense is visibility in the writeup, another reason for folks to find themselves an alibi, even if their alibi is shoving pizza slices down Zack's crack.

[woad&fangs]

unvote: landlubber; vote: AggonyKing
If ATPG can vouch for landlubber's whereabouts than Aggony is a better lynch. I didn't feel like there was too much difference between the strength of their cases anyway.

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: AggonyKing I also think that AggonyKing is a better lynch then Landlubber today. Especially if Pizza can vouch for landlubber's whereabouts at night, and not AggonyKing's.

[robbiecon]

Unvote; Vote: AggonyKing

I'll hold ATPG to his word.

[Secura]

vote: Thefluffyone93

[Peasant Phill]

Select: abstain
Vote: Chaotix

Chaotix was a prime target for lynching last round and were going to let him go now?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Select: abstain
Vote: Chaotix

Chaotix was a prime target for lynching last round and were going to let him go now?

His continually failed and admitted attempts to start a mafia family are being closely monitored. That's the benefit of appearing in the writeups; even scummy actions can be exonerating. You know, provided one wasn't scum to begin with.

[The Stranger]

AggonyKing: 13 (diana, diamondeye, OTLD, sasaki, chaotix, andres, memnon, fluffyone, herodiclassico, gibsonsg, fyremarble, DIY, Woad, robbiecon)

Landlubber: 8 (Renata, autolycus, believer, Neri, beskar, lewwyn, Choxorn, whiteeyes)

Chaotix: 7 (peasantphill, Populus, GamezRule, Sturmhauke, CecilXIX, jarema, edse)
Sigurd: 5 (fubbleskag, Riedquat, shlin28, guiri, gnarlycharlie)
Diamondeye: 3 (Visorslash, Frozen in Ice, XehhII)

Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (AggonyKing)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Zack)
Shlin28: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
Andres: 1 (Craterus)
sturmhauke: 1 (seon)
fluffyone: 1 (secura)

Present: 1 (Camikaze)
Abstain: 2 (Ibn-Khaldun, The Stranger)

[DaveShack]

Select: GH seems to be doing a pretty good job
Vote: AggonyKing not really compelling, but leaning toward a single.

[thefluffyone93]

vote: Thefluffyone93

Y U NO LIEK COSBY?

[Secura]

fluffyone: 1 (renata)

You confused myself and Renata here, but you're not the first, so don't worry!

Y U NO LIEK COSBY?

It's nothing personal, it's just good business.

[Backwards Logic]

Select: GH

What's the case on AggonyKing exactly? I also don't buy the case on landlubber at all, and think most of the votes against him are of the 'Renata is a pretty good scum-hunter usually, and her case on him seems like the best we have, so it must be a legit case' variety. FoS everyone voting him for that reason.

[The Stranger]

You confused myself and Renata here, but you're not the first, so don't worry!

sorry m'am.

[Cahoma]

IMO, the case on Landlubber isn't that great. The case on Aggonyking isn't that great either, but it's better than the one on Landlubber.

Vote: Aggonyking

I can't remember what the case was on Chaotix though. Anyone remember that?

[shlin28]

Going off to uni tomorrow. Moving everything and Fresher's Week would probably mean that I would have an even patchier record of posting than previously for the next week or so, will try to post when I can, but no promises.

[Montmorency]

IMO, the case on Landlubber isn't that great. The case on Aggonyking isn't that great either, but it's better than the one on Landlubber.

Vote: Aggonyking

I can't remember what the case was on Chaotix though. Anyone remember that?

My lord...

[ByzantineKnight]

I havn't had a chance to keep up with this recently, my apologies.

I'll try and catch up but in the meantime, Select: GH; Vote: Abstain

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I believe this was just an oversight by Seamus.

[B10:14AM, Thursday, 2 November 1951
The Executive Meeting Room (Small Ballroom)
Fatlington Convention Center
Fatlington, New Jersey[/B]

“…quite correct Mr. Director, and it’s that sorry I am too. With how much the town has grown and all the additional stuff to keep track of, I simply lost my spot and skipped over a bit. My apologies…”

Fermanagh waved a sheet of notepaper around as he moved to the podium. He put the notes down and continued.

“Here is the missing post-mortem stuff. Taillesskangaru and cpdwane were both innocent townies. On the other hand, Master Necromanver was – and I admit I went and checked again to be sure when I saw that I’d missed a notes page, was a Mafia Don – the leader of one of the crime families plaguing us. His accidental death was a boon for Fatlington.

Surprise swept around the room visibly. Generalhankerchief moved back to the podium to re-establish order.

“Thanks Commissioner. Now, in light of this new information….”




OOC

Day Seven, lynch votes and selections, begins:

Phase ends:

Remember, do NOT edit a post with a vote in it; post the change in a separate post.


Attacked = 38: a completely inoffensive name (n2), Ameranth (n3), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n2, n4, n5), Cahoma (n2), Cecil XIX (n3, n6), Chaotix (n2, n3), Craterus (n3), Diana Abnoba (n6), Drunk Clown (n4, n5), Earthling (n1), edse (n5), El Barto (n2), Erebus (n5, n6, Ishmael (n4), J.D. (n6), johnhughthom (n4), Master Necromanver (n2), Montmorency (n2, n4), Psychonaut (n5), Raskolnikov (n1), Sasaki Kojiro (n4), scottishranger (n4), Secura (n3), Slash and earn (n1, n6), slysnake (n1, n3), Suburban Plankton (n4), taillesskangaru (n3), Zack (n6)

Wounded = 7: edse (n5), Erebus (n6), Lord Brennus (n3), Psychonaut (n6), Slysnake (n1, n3), Tratorix (n4)

Killed = 20: Ameranth [wiseguy] (n4), Arjos (n3), Bow-wow-wow (n5), ByzantineKnight (n6), Captain Black Adder [townie] (n1), El Barto (n3), ELITEWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK [townie] (n2), J.D. (n6), Kagemusha (n6), Lord Brennus (n5), Lord Winter [wiseguy] (n4), Moros [luca] (n2), Nictel (n6), Pharoah [townie] (n2), Raskolnikov (n6), slysnake (n5), Suburban Plankton (n5), TinCow (n3), Tratorix (n6), Xenoneb (n3)

Lynched = 6: Earthling (d2) [townie], a completely inoffensive name [townie](d3), Subotan [wiseguy] (d3), Major Robert Dump (d4), Ishmael (d5), Montmorency (d6)

Wogged = 4: bestrfcplayer (n6), cpdwane [townie] (n4), Master Necromanver [mafia don] (n4), taillesskangaru [townie] (n4)

Added: Autolycus (d4)

Active:

AggonyKing, Andres, Askthepizzaguy, Autolycus, B Ray, Backwards Logic, Beefy187, Believer, Beskar, BillMc, BSmith, ByzantineKnight, Cahoma, Camikaze, Cecil XIX, Chaotix, Choxorn, Clitsome, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, DaveShack, dcmort93, Death is yonder, Diamondeye, Diana Abnoba, Double A, Drunk Clown, edse, Erebus, Frozen In Ice, fubbleskag, fyremarble, GamezRule, GeneralHankerchief, gibsonsg91921, gnarleycharlie, God Emperor, Guiri, hero di classic, Ibn-Khaldun, Ironside, Issaikhaan, Ishmael, Jarema, J.D., Johhog, johnhughthom, Jolt, kennigit, Khazaar, Krill, landlubber, LazyMcCrow, Lewwyn, Memnon, Monk, Neri, Nictel, Nightbringer, Niklas, O!TheLastDays!, Peasant Phil, Populous Romanus, Psychonaut, qlphz, Renata, Riedquat, Robbiecon, Romanic, Sasaki Kojiro, Scienter, scottishranger, Secura, Seon, shlin28, Sigurd, Silver Jan, SisterCoyote, Skotsko, slash and earn, Sprig, sturmhauke, Thefluffyone93, The Stranger, ULC, Visorslash, White_eyes:D, Winston Hughes, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Yaropolk, Zack

[Diamondeye]

Woah, a Don stomaching the WoG? Wicked.

[Askthepizzaguy]

LOL THE NEUTRAL AVENGER STRIKES AGAIN!

I can't believe I attacked his guilty butt and got away with it.

Master Necromanver managed to open the door to his home and rush inside before further damage was done. He slammed the door and locked it, and then hid under his couch and cried like a little girl. Somehow, he escaped with his life.... just barely.

That's right, I make Mafia Dons cry like a little girl. Boo-yah.

[Scienter]

^ Yeah, I'm surprised a mafia don got wog'd too. O.o

[Montmorency]

I knew there were inactive families! Must have been awful for the two mades before their Don was WoGed: they couldn't recruit wiseguys without a Don sanctioning their kills!

Didn't the Pentangeli recruitment notice come in a couple of days after those WoGs? And this is what was said:

"I understand the Barzini and the Tataglia also have a um... plumbing service."

"Those chumps don't have a clue. Not much evidence of their work, that I can see."
"Too many of their guys taking naps on the job. Perhaps they should be shown the door."

And so we have the Corleone, Stracchi, and Cunnio as the three active families. The Barzini and Tataglia here are implied to be inactive. So here: Necromanver was Don, got wogged. The 2 Mades in that family elected a new Don amongst themselves and began to recruit. Conclusion: The Pentangeli are either the Barzini or Tataglia, but revamped. The other family there may still be inactive, though.

[TinCow]

Hey, ATPG, how's that mafia alliance of yours coming? How long do you think it'll be before you guys start turning on each other?

[Earthling]

That's just a poor conclusion, trusting a mafia family to completely know how active the members of other families are. Plus, a WoG on N4 doesn't leave much time since then for the amount of recruitment either of the clearly most successful mafia families have (Alaskans and toe-guys).

A much, much better question is why Scienter wasn't WoG'd. He clearly shouldn't have been - along with other people who haven't voted or in some cases posted in 2-3 weeks. One could guess the host didn't want to WoG more mafia members who were inactive so early but with the WoG process begun and some townies and one family crippled by it anyway, the rest should be WoG'd.

So at the least Scienter can say what's up: Constant messages from the host to get active, or an assurance that certain roles were less likely to get WoG'd? Some folks who are lurky but pop up to vote often enough you should still keep an eye on, but the ones who disappeared for weeks should be gone or killed by vig groups anyway. Those other people who very obviously should have been WoG'd are: Double A, Krill, Khazaar, dcmort, Niklas, Nightbringer, Nictel along with Scienter

Of course, both wagons leading right now are terrible for the town but that's pretty obvious. Chaotix would of course be a fine choice.

For anyone asking, the "case" against Aggony is that Sasaki wants to kill townies. People are clearly voting for that reason (we have an admitted mafia and at least three who have publicly stated they want to be Made on that wagon) and the rest just decided they'd look worse bandwagonning on landlubber instead.
That's also a weak case, as being lurkery and bandwagony doesn't condemn him alone, and the town shouldn't waste time waste on lynching nobodies when core mafia family gangsters could be lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey, ATPG, how's that mafia alliance of yours coming? How long do you think it'll be before you guys start turning on each other?

We're doing quite splendidly. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen, even if it doesn't appear to be that way.

The loss of a mafia Don is a huge blow, of course. But obviously that one was inactive.

Soon I will have a new apprentice.... one far younger and more powerful.

The alliance will hold until the town is mostly mafia, or town is mostly dead. Either of those two conditions will be met shortly.

I'm afraid not too many townies are that loyal to you and your police department ilk. And the foolish peoples who wish to drive a wedge between the families have failed.

Sadly, it seems there are still a quaint few on a fool's errand to "save the town". But that's just it, isn't it? What does the town want?

If the town wanted to be town, then you know, 80 percent of them wouldn't already be mafia or trying desperately to go mafia. You'd think I'd be the center of such anti-town efforts, but no....

Ask around. Ask people, not the pizzaguy. Ask them yourself. In the quiet, dark, private corners of the org and their pm boxes.... what do they really want?

Do you think they say: Oh askthepizzaguy. Nothing would thrill me more than to be your mindless drone, a slave, a cog in the pro-town machine that was Capo III.

We all know how much fun that was, being out of the loop or just being a member of the common soldiery.

Nay, that didn't appeal to me, and though I had the power to do so again, it would be too easy. You know, what with the mafia alliance trusting me and so forth, knowing all their names.... being able to strike them down at any moment. Any moment whatsoever.

Worse, all the folks that want to go mafia, and those who have already progressed.... all the eggs were in one basket as it were. And as you've seen, they're more concerned with killing whoever, getting the experience points, and becoming wiseguy, than supporting the naive struggles of the police department.

Heck, even the doctors aren't interested in being part of the ultra-safe and completely boring protection ring. I could make like 6 people invulnerable right now, and that would be as exciting as watching goldfish [bleep] each other.

In short, repeating Capo III is boring. I said it, everyone felt it, and you know it Tincow.

The alliance will hold, and there's not a whole lot anyone can do about it. Oh, people have already tried to drive a wedge between them, and such efforts are being laughed at as we speak.

When the town is gone then certainly, the families shall fight to claim the top prize. Not all that surprising an outcome, given the fact that it is what must happen at that time.

But you know, and they know, the mafia win so long as an original family survives. That's an inevitability, mister Cow. Nice teats, btw.

That brings me to some point I wanted to make before I go to work; here it is.



HOW TO BE PRO-TOWN:



In Fatlington, in this game, almost every townie has a choice not to be townie. Neutrality was the default option: Don't stand in people's way. People REALLY like that, as would be evident by my current popularity and what information I wield.

What people hate is when folks tell them what to do. Such as: which alignment to take. What role to take. Who has to protect whom, who gotta die.

Well I started off not telling people who to protect or who gotta die; I left it up to them. Only in the cases of making doctors was it really necessary to coordinate, and then, that's the info people wanted to have. People also didn't bother discussing or making suggestions as to who to protect or who gotta die, and after a while, left that stuff up to me.

The difference between here, and Capo III, is that there was no threat of death if people didn't cooperate. Only if they actively betrayed their friends was there a threat of death. Nobody likes that.

Betrayal, like saying you'll go mafia and then turning around and trying to thwart others' attempts to do so; or saying you'll help someone and then running to a different family and trying to put a wedge between them with talk of endgame betrayals. Oooh spooky.

Yes, I know. Come on people, this is Askthepizzaguy we're talking about. your secrets are safe with me, not necessarily anyone else.

Well anyway. The way to go pro-town is to do what town wants. Sure, publicly, no one wants to say it, but I will. Townie is boring.

Being a good townie, even going surgeon? Whoopdy doo. A long, boring process of self-defense and slow lynches. How silly.

Next, to win, you gotta vig. GOTTA vig. Can't win without the vig. And what happens when you vig? Wiseguy.

Wiseguys go mafia.

So there will only be more betrayal. So messy. And this is just holding back what every Fatling really wants! Everyone besides oh I suppose about 5 players I've spoken to who are REALLY down with this whole pro-town all the way thing.

You know, it's funny, I haven't even stood in their way either. And the doctors and rogues owe their very existence to my efforts. I didn't stop the pro-townies either.

I did what I said. I'd help whoever asked. Sure I've got my own ideas, but..... I played it neutral like I said and I helped everyone. Everyone who wanted help.

And the folks who have real lives and don't have time to find partners, found partners.

And the folks who wanted to be doctor but didn't want to wait all game guessing, protected people.

And the townies whose dreams were to become wiseguy became wiseguy. Those who wanted to be rogue, went rogue.

And the scumbags; Oh the poor scumbags. You have no idea how much trouble they had at the beginning. Loss of vital members, confusion as to the game setup; everybody too afraid to go mafia.

Really, it was going to be one heck of a boring game, I tell you that. The independent efforts collapsed without any interference from me, so that was doomed. The 5 families would have been.... one of them half its current size, the others, mostly nonexistent.

Well, at this point, it's not such a bad situation really. Not only do people speak openly, and en masse, about their desire to go mafia, but they're succeeding in droves. And those who haven't gone have a clear path.

And those who wish to go townie, well, they've got bodyguards they wouldn't have had otherwise. And a whole wave of detectives to replace folks like the fallen Tincow. You know, it wasn't even me behind the downfall of those pro-town roles. And I trained the replacements.



Mmm. It's ironic, just by helping people do what they want in openly neutral fashion, I've been more pro-town than any single role or even collection of roles in the game. And yet, I've balanced that out with help to anyone who wants it.

Well I can see now that things are coming to a head; there will be accusations and soon. I welcome them.

But, it is not me who is the enemy of the town. No, I've given the town exactly what it wants.

The enemy of the town is the man of empty promises; one who tells people that he will help them do a thing and then run around and attempt to stop that thing which he supported.

You know to whom I refer.

That's volunteering and encouraging crime, and then trying to benefit from turning in the criminals. A bigger hypocrite, there cannot be. All under the guise of being pro-town.

Well look around Tincow. The reasonless wagons... no serious analysis done except by dead townies. The massive popularity of vigilantism. The town is thriving, really. And enjoying itself. And reveling in its inherent scumminess.

I can only stand back and watch with much appreciation for seeing the other side. I've seen the paranoid, rigid, ideological, fanatical side; heck I was its leader in Capo III.

This is a whole heck of a lot more fun. It's more fun to give the people what they want, and see what they do with it.





Oh, and I haven't gone mafia yet, as would be evident by the FPD's scans and the FBI's scans. They're your people, Tincow, they can even vouch for that.

I'm still neutral, still having a ball. It is unfortunate some folks have committed hastily to a side; because they will now find that no side will ever have them again.



Shame about that. No worries though.... it's not like they'll experience backlash. There are more important matters.

No, it is not a violent end they face, but the worst one of all.... the lonely, boring one. Can I join your groups now? No....

Can I join your mafia now? No....

Can I help you bring down the mafia? Why? Why would we trust you, traitor?


A sad, lonely ending. Aww. Sad Face.

Meanwhile, I'll be running around Fatlington in my Fedora and trenchcoat, wielding a tommy gun, laughing all the way. Folks know that's where its at. How fun it is.

I'm quite confident that everything I've done, including forge alliances between criminals, is pro-town. It's what the people want.






I love this town. These are my kinda scums.

I'd like to announce that I will indeed run for Director after GeneralHankerchief's term expires. Until then I have some more doctors and stuff that need forging, and I'm the one who has offered his head repeatedly to be the guinea pig to be attacked over and over.

If people would prefer a more straightforward pro-town group formation movement, they can always relax the protection on me tonight and let the vigs do their thing. Until then, they are comfortable being led by a neutral, doing neutral things.

Avenging the cause of neutrality, one slice of pizza at a time. It's so much more fun here on the dark side. Won't you join me, Tincow?

Oh right, dead. Well, the living peoples still can has cheezburger. And I intend to give it to them. With extra cheese.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Night action groups: Come on, you knew this already.

Whatever your goals, I'm still willing to help achieve them. I get results, after all. And I obviously don't care what you do with the power I help you achieve. It's my pleasure to serve.

[Cahoma]

My lord...

A vote for him makes a whole lot more sense than any of the bandwagons.

Unvote; Vote: Chatoix

[Kennigit]

I'm not particularly fond of Chaotix, but as long as people are keeping "a close eye" on him then perhaps vote: Aggonyking is a solid lynch today. Maybe a chaotix/aggonyking double lynch if its decided to change the bandwagon up.

[Kennigit]

fond of Chatoix's actions*.

[The Stranger]

unvote: vote: ATPG

cuz he posts walls of text...