California passes Dream Act. Illegal immigrants get state money for college.

[Ironside]

Illegals vote. Not investigating voter fraud and thereby saying it doesn't exist because they haven't found any is akin to saying the sun never sets while never going outdoors.

All of the arguments against VOTER ID requirements are are a subtle way of encouraging voter fraud. The idea that someone cannot afford a $20 ID or the transportation to go get the card are ludicrous. Even more ludicrous is the Democratic opposition to VOTER ID bills that specifically include provisions to make it easier for poor people to get those IDs.

How are you guys voting over there? Here you can't vote unless you're a registered citizen on the electoral roll that's in the closest voting center (usually the closest school). If you vote somewhere else, then they need to phone up that center to confirm that you exist. And you will always need to provide ID.

So if a guy decides to murder someone would you let them go free as you are too late to save the victim?

Certainly not, to be certain we must also punish thier children. And their children in turn.

Now, PJ pointed out something quite important, that it still doesn't provide a way to citizenship. Simply put, it's a bit of pragmatism vs ideological issues. If an illegal can stay for decades without much difficulty, then it simply starts to be better to legitimize those people than having them create a permanent underclass and continue to shout that they shouldn't be there.

[Beskar]

Simply put, it's a bit of pragmatism vs ideological issues. If an illegal can stay for decades without much difficulty, then it simply starts to be better to legitimize those people than having them create a permanent underclass and continue to shout that they shouldn't be there.

Agreed.