Battlefield 3

[Vuk]

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, everything viewed backwards in time becomes a long lost gem. BF was ok, it certainly wasn't the team based magical place it's now made out to be (imho). I've seen better team based behavior in TF2 or RO. As for the current dire straights team based FPS find themselves in, well, you can lay that one squarely at the feet of the 800pd gorilla sucking all the air out of the room: COD.

Not at all, I recognize BF 1942 and BF2's flaws and want an improved battlefield game that does not share those shortcomings. That said however, I also understand what made them excellent games, and what defines the Battlefield series. When you turn against those principals, you will not have a good Battlefield game.

[easytarget]

I don't disagree with you, but the tide at the moment is definitely running against true team based game design.

There's more team based behavior in 5 minutes worth of play in L4D or L4D2 than you'll likely see in 8 hours play time on a BF3 server, or 80 hours of play time in MW3. Funny how designing the game to reward team play works so well when done right, and yet how rare it is ultimately to find.

Trends are hard to fight, so I tend to just move from genre to genre based on where the best game design is taking place.

[Vuk]

I don't disagree with you, but the tide at the moment is definitely running against true team based game design.

There's more team based behavior in 5 minutes worth of play in L4D or L4D2 than you'll likely see in 8 hours play time on a BF3 server, or 80 hours of play time in MW3. Funny how designing the game to reward team play works so well when done right, and yet how rare it is ultimately to find.

Trends are hard to fight, so I tend to just move from genre to genre based on where the best game design is taking place.

If every series sells out, there will not be any good computer games left soon. There are plenty of cheap COD rip-offs out there. Battlefield had its own audience, and did not have to sell out to the COD crowd. I really hope the game flops and they learn their lesson.

[edyzmedieval]

Battlefield 3 lost the sales battle with MW3 for the moment, the copies sold for PC (hard copies) are only around 500.000. Digital distribution is excluded however.

[easytarget]

That wasn't ever in doubt, but honestly I don't know why gamers would care about unit sales, I know I don't. Any more than I care which movie made the most money at the box office. Which also reminds me of The Oscars, which I feel pretty much the same way about, why should I care what holiday wants to give itself awards for? I'm amused they televise it and assume I'd ever bother to watch them give themselves a pat on the back.

[easytarget]

If every series sells out, there will not be any good computer games left soon. There are plenty of cheap COD rip-offs out there. Battlefield had its own audience, and did not have to sell out to the COD crowd. I really hope the game flops and they learn their lesson.

No doubt true, but changes nothing. And BF3 wasn't a flop, while it won't reach MW3 numbers, pre-selling 5M of anything at 60 bucks isn't likely to instill the gaming industry w/ a lot of desire to stop mimicking Hollywood with their sequel disease.

[naut]

Ugh, this and Modern Yawnfare are for me everything that is wrong with FPS, just CGI gallery shooters. I'll take RO2 over these any day. [/grumpy]

[edyzmedieval]

Ugh, this and Modern Yawnfare are for me everything that is wrong with FPS, just CGI gallery shooters. I'll take RO2 over these any day. [/grumpy]

They cater to different species of gamers. RO2 is a strong realistic shooter while BF3 and MW3 focus more on the arcade part.

[Vuk]

No doubt true, but changes nothing. And BF3 wasn't a flop, while it won't reach MW3 numbers, pre-selling 5M of anything at 60 bucks isn't likely to instill the gaming industry w/ a lot of desire to stop mimicking Hollywood with their sequel disease.

Yes, but it likely would have sold just as well if they did not flip their finger in the face of PC gamers, just like the @$$80!3$ who made DX3. The entire industry knows how to do nothing but mindlessly follow the path of the latest franchises. They all one to appeal to a single audience and completely ignore all the other, potentially less profitable audiences out there. They are risk adverse, and they deem not copying the latest hits to be a risk. The only major player in the industry I can think of who put out a game that was a considerable risk recently is Valve, and look how well that did. Risks can cause great losses, but can also pull in big profits. You simply have to take risk intelligently, and not blindly. The whole industry is too stupid and too afraid of losing to do that.

[Hamata]

It's still the same story as cod though russia is evil/U.S.A dominate. or something like that

[easytarget]

Right, because it's a spy spoof riffing off the 60's cold war period.