2:05-2:22 Dawkins: As social animals, we worked out that we wouldn’t want to live in a society where it was acceptable to rape, murder or steal. We have a moral conscience a mutual empathy and it is constantly evolving.
4:05-4:25 Ian McEwan: We have a marvellous gift, and you see it develop in children, this ability to become aware that other people have minds just like your own and feelings that are just as important as your own. And this gift of empathy seems to me to be the building block of our moral system.
Dawkins: I profoundly agree with you.
This is a very bizarre conversation