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    Default Re: Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    Yes, but who said 'gun control automatically means dictatorship'? No one did, apart from the straw man you seem to be arguing against.
    Someone mentioned the Constitution having the right to bear arms so that the people can rebel against a dictatorship.

    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    By the way, as I alluded to earlier, using comparative circumstances of different countries as a basis for policy positions (in this case crime rates and gun control) involves a number of fallacies; so many, in fact, as to render such arguments virtually worthless. Heavy reliance on anecdote is even worse. What you need to provide are statistics from the same test group both before and after a gun ban has been implemented. Those stats still ignore a lot of headwind-type trends and other potentially misleading information, but are at least somewhat more demonstrative.

    Here are some examples of the kind of information that, while not perfect, is a bit more useful.

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    You're only showing the US and the UK. The US still has guns outside those cities, which makes it difficult to ban guns in those cities. And the UK still has a lot less gun crime than in the US.

    I'm saying what I experienced in the US and my different experience in other countries that clearly has zero gun worries.

    I'm not picking a side just to annoy you. I was angry that a person I knew when I was a kid was shot. I was angry when I saw a girl run into the lobby and cry that her boyfriend was shot. (Both of these happened many years ago). It's ridiculous and a humiliation that innocent people go through this. In both of these cases, the crime wouldn't have happened if guns were harder for the criminals to obtain. Having been to safer areas, I don't think it's normal if there is a situation that makes the general population need to own guns. That situation just shows how dangerous a country is because of guns.
    Last edited by Shaka_Khan; 11-01-2011 at 07:38.
    Wooooo!!!

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