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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump View Post
    Black males ages 16-24 also commit the majority of violent crimes in the US. We should consider a ban.


    That does bring up a good point, though. A significant proportion of those deaths are criminal on criminal and criminal on police homicides, which should be factored out if we're discussing the relative danger to the 'average' citizen.

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    One trick the Brady lobby used in the 80s and early 90s, before the internet was widely available and people could find federal statistics on their own, was to include people up to the age of 24 as "youths" i.e. "children" and not factor out criminal-on-criminal activity, thus coming up with stats to pull the heartstrings like " a child is shot every 10 minutes in the USA." It also included suicides.

    Guns = more gun crime is a no brainer. But based on the reactions of the general public, I would say the vast majority of Americans see it as a Few ruining it for Everyone Else and they won't be baited by bogus stats. The anti-gun lobby would have people believe that in order for a gun top be an effective deterrent/use against crime, that there has to be a gunshot, a bullet and blood, when in fact a guy walking into his backyard with a shotgun and scaring away a pack of burglars does not go into any sort of database. You see these stoeis in the news all the time, yet they aren't included in the "facts." There's a reason that Appalachia has one of the lowest home invasion rates in the nation, despite being in the meth belt ..............
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    There's a reason that Appalachia has one of the lowest home invasion rates in the nation, despite being in the meth belt ..............
    ... Though you have to admit that might partially be explained by lack of inhabited buildings and richer pickings elsewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios View Post
    ... Though you have to admit that might partially be explained by lack of inhabited buildings and richer pickings elsewhere?
    ..and a certain....let's call it proclivity not to report a possible break in to the police....not with that science project going on in the back room.
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    none of you are from appalachia or have ever been there.

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    I've had some cases in Appalachia. They are harder to solve because of lack of dental records and the the DNA being the same.

    Good point about the disparity in population clusters, however the home invasion distribution should stay relatively the same per capita, which it is not. It is lower.

    While I get the meth lab joke, to sya that people don't call the cops because they are up to something illegal is factually incorrect. In fact, if it were correct, it would hurt the anti-gun angle because it is suggesting that the people using guns are people who are multi-faceted criminals, which enfordces the pro-gun argument that the people who obtain and use guns legally are not the ones at fualt: it's the criminals.

    A lot of people don't call the police for a lot of reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    none of you are from appalachia or have ever been there.
    true..but I didn´t want to mention that because it might sound like I was bragging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    none of you are from appalachia or have ever been there.
    I'm from there. And at home, I haven't ever been a victim of a crime, nor have I come across meth. Though my dad does have a few guns and we've occasionally used them.

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    I want everyone who is not too insane and doesn't have a serious criminal record to be armed to the teeth at all times. I believe in this more and more as I get older, which is counter intuitive.
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    Default Re: Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years

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    Guns = more gun crime is a no brainer.
    There is actually evidence that supports the notion that the presence of a gun (even an inactive hunting rifle hung upon the wall) significantly increases levels of aggression, due to it being recognised as a "danger/aggression" mental cue.
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    I just got my pistol license in NY. 8 months.
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    surprised you managed to get one.

    look i like guns. that being said i don't even give a damn about self defense. I like guns because i like hunting. end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    surprised you managed to get one.

    look i like guns. that being said i don't even give a damn about self defense. I like guns because i like hunting. end of story.
    I don't have any interest in hunting. I don't have any interest in killing an animal that I know I won't eat all of or even really enjoy it. I believe that people should arm themselves to the teeth to go out and get the paper in the morning. I want everyone to be a mirror image of Duke Nukem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    It's really not that hard to get a gun anywhere. There's a few really bad spots where it is difficult, but for most of the country it's very easy. Oregon's a long-time democrat strong-hold, but you can get a gun and a concealed carry permit here easier than anywhere but Florida, last time I checked.
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