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[spankythehippo]

That Iron farm (max size) takes 45x45 according to the video.

If you build it directly over the spawn it would roughtly look like this:

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(from spawn 0,65,0 -> right top corner: 23,65,-23 -> right bottom corner: 23,65,23 -> left bottom: -23,65,23 -> left top -23,65,-23)

Maybe current spawn location doesn't cut it. Would it help to move the spawn? or does it have to sit atop the 0,65,0 coordinate? It says spawn chunck no spawn point. Is there a difference?

The spawn chunk is 16 x 16 (256 blocks x 256 blocks) chunks in size. I was thinking of putting the chests and the funnels near the spawn, so that people can help themselves. But, it can be placed anywhere in the 16 x 16 chunk area. Without a mod, this area cannot be visualised. However, the spawn point is somewhere within the spawn chunk. I could map out the spawn chunks, but that would take a while.

[Sigurd]

Yeah... and If we (saying community) should join in this endavour, I would suggest making a new noob hotel, a skyscraper type of building:

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(12x12 chunks around spawn in the image)

[Sigurd]

The spawn chunk is 16 x 16 (256 blocks x 256 blocks) chunks in size. I was thinking of putting the chests and the funnels near the spawn, so that people can help themselves. But, it can be placed anywhere in the 16 x 16 chunk area. Without a mod, this area cannot be visualised. However, the spawn point is somewhere within the spawn chunk. I could map out the spawn chunks, but that would take a while.

Maybe it will be different in the 1.7 update. Some claim a 18x16 chunk area, while others much smaller. One claim is that it is different for every seed. I guess you'll have to find the corners, by the 5 minute despawn of dropped items rule.
Dropped items always disappears within the spawn chunks if you move away, while they remain outside. The easiest point to test this would be the far corner of the office building closest to Nigel's house.

[spankythehippo]

Maybe it will be different in the 1.7 update. Some claim a 18x16 chunk area, while others much smaller. One claim is that it is different for every seed. I guess you'll have to find the corners, by the 5 minute despawn of dropped items rule.
Dropped items always disappears within the spawn chunks if you move away, while they remain outside. The easiest point to test this would be the far corner of the office building closest to Nigel's house.

Yeah, that's the method I meant.

In regards to the noob hotel, I reckon it should stay. I say that we build a huge skyscraper to accommodate the Iron Foundry. Cover up the entire thing, except the roof. The new players would spawn in the foyer of the huge skyscraper, and would have immediate access to all the iron in the world.

In other words, we make a new spawn area, with the area being the huge skyscraper.

I will build whatever the community wants to be built.

[Sigurd]

Yeah, that's the method I meant.

In regards to the noob hotel, I reckon it should stay. I say that we build a huge skyscraper to accommodate the Iron Foundry. Cover up the entire thing, except the roof. The new players would spawn in the foyer of the huge skyscraper, and would have immediate access to all the iron in the world.

In other words, we make a new spawn area, with the area being the huge skyscraper.

I will build whatever the community wants to be built.

I always wanted to redo the exterior on the n00b hotel ever since TinCow said he didn't mind if someone undertook such a project. I have been thinking of a Empire State building look for it... As you can see in the last image I provided, the current n00b hotel only fills a quarter of the required 45x45 foot print of the iron farm.

We could envelope the current n00b hotel in a corner of the new super scraper. I could help building the skyscraper exterior as you concentrate on the farm.
I think it is worth to consider. That way, we keep the spawn as is, we get a new exterior look for the n00b hotel, and we get another "seen from space" wonder.

[spankythehippo]

I always wanted to redo the exterior on the n00b hotel ever since TinCow said he didn't mind if someone undertook such a project. I have been thinking of a Empire State building look for it... As you can see in the last image I provided, the current n00b hotel only fills a quarter of the required 45x45 foot print of the iron farm.

We could envelope the current n00b hotel in a corner of the new super scraper. I could help building the skyscraper exterior as you concentrate on the farm.
I think it is worth to consider. That way, we keep the spawn as is, we get a new exterior look for the n00b hotel, and we get another "seen from space" wonder.

Yup, I'm in favour. However, the spawn chunks would need to be verified before any construction is to be done. Also, the skyscraper would need to be as wide and long, if not wider and longer, as the iron farm, otherwise it would look odd. I'm thinking of a downtown New York-y hotel.




Also, I'm very clumsy, so construction might be slow. This is the aftermath of my incompetence today.



I lost quite a bit (1 very, VERY, VERY powerful diamond sword, 12 diamond tools and a buttload of resources). If I can't get replacement tools before the 21st, then I'll have to delay construction. With my recent rate of finding diamonds, it might take a while.

[Sigurd]

Yup, I'm in favour. However, the spawn chunks would need to be verified before any construction is to be done. Also, the skyscraper would need to be as wide and long, if not wider and longer, as the iron farm, otherwise it would look odd. I'm thinking of a downtown New York-y hotel.

Also, I'm very clumsy, so construction might be slow. This is the aftermath of my incompetence today.

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I lost quite a bit (1 very, VERY, VERY powerful diamond sword, 12 diamond tools and a buttload of resources). If I can't get replacement tools before the 21st, then I'll have to delay construction. With my recent rate of finding diamonds, it might take a while.

LOL...

No worries M8... I think the farm should be complete before covering it up with the exterior.

We should probably survey the area... take measurements and find out exactly where the center of the farm should be (at the corner outside n00b hotel). But if it needs open sky on top... it should probably be quite high up (and that leaves any fancy spire design not possible). The timer + iron silo + nether portal could be as high as above the n00b hotel. I also saw in the youtube that you need the timer working before chaining the villages and finishing the farm... that you have a 7 hour window when filling up the timer mechanism unless you keep filling it up. My guess is that when the iron starts dropping.. this need is obsolete.

[Sigurd]

Alright.. last map image.

Maybe a more rectangular base with the center of the iron farm indicated in green and the farm foot print in red?
It fits into a existing city block.

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I don't know... we need to find the limits of covering up the farm. He mentioned in the video that it could be built under ground, but that you needed to know which part needs sky access. The base in the image would be a perfect Empire State building base, provided that you could finish off the top with a spire.

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[BSmith]

I am all for this project, as long as we can keep it pretty and not an eyesore in the city. (and also not cause much lag).

The actual interior space of the current Noob hotel is plenty for its needs. We will have a ton of extra space in this building, which I think would be put to good use making other factories, with chests all in one central location for retrieval of the items.

We should also build the empire state building out of iron blocks. Only seems appropriate.

I like the latest proposal on location as it does fit into an existing block.

[Beskar]

I lost quite a bit (1 very, VERY, VERY powerful diamond sword, 12 diamond tools and a buttload of resources). If I can't get replacement tools before the 21st, then I'll have to delay construction. With my recent rate of finding diamonds, it might take a while.

I think I still have some diamonds in my chest, feel free to use what you need. Go to the bunker next to the tavern, I think it is bottom left chest next to the portal. @spankythehippo

[Sigurd]

Alright... I am stuck in a loop.
I went to the endfarm to fix my bow, and since I had just spent a /home I opted to return via the endportal. But I can't get out. Pressing ESC in the credits returns me to a weird mini end, without endermen and the void just a few paces around the end portal (return portal). I can't send messages or activate the /home command. logging out and back in again drops me into the end portal and to again view of the INSANELY long credits. Watched all the credits once, but it drops me back into the end again.

I can't get out!!! and I have too many precious tools on my to simply walk out into the void.

[Beskar]

I can't get out!!! and I have too many precious tools on my to simply walk out into the void.

If I still have some op powers, I will use the tp command to get you out. But I think in the shift over to bukkit, @TinCow disabled them so it might be best for him to do it.

[Beskar]

@Sigurd I just tested, let me know when you are online and I will teleport you away.

[Beskar]

With the help of @therother, we managed to do it!

[spankythehippo]

Alright.. last map image.

Maybe a more rectangular base with the center of the iron farm indicated in green and the farm foot print in red?
It fits into a existing city block.

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I don't know... we need to find the limits of covering up the farm. He mentioned in the video that it could be built under ground, but that you needed to know which part needs sky access. The base in the image would be a perfect Empire State building base, provided that you could finish off the top with a spire.

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I'm actually trying to avoid building it underground, because existing doors/new doors can ruin the village chaining. If I build it at the maximum build height, there will be little chance of a wooden door interfering with the farm.

I am all for this project, as long as we can keep it pretty and not an eyesore in the city. (and also not cause much lag).

The actual interior space of the current Noob hotel is plenty for its needs. We will have a ton of extra space in this building, which I think would be put to good use making other factories, with chests all in one central location for retrieval of the items.

We should also build the empire state building out of iron blocks. Only seems appropriate.

I like the latest proposal on location as it does fit into an existing block.

I'd like the interior of the Empire State Building to be made out of iron. The outside will portray only grandeur and class, and the interior will be space age-y and modern. What do you guys think? We can worry about all this stuff later, though.

I am planning on building a sugarcane factory in either the absolute top left of the grid (or the one to the right of it)

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Something like this.

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I have 4 sugarcane farms that work very effectively, but only when I'm logged in. Otherwise, it does nothing (since it's not in the spawn chunks). After the 21st, I'm going to be very active on the server, so the Iron Farm will be finished as soon as possible, and I want to get started on this factory. Any pointers/criticisms/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I think I still have some diamonds in my chest, feel free to use what you need. Go to the bunker next to the tavern, I think it is bottom left chest next to the portal. @spankythehippo

I appreciate the offer, but I'm the type of person that offers help to others, and doesn't want help back (just the way I was raised, I guess). My loss was the result of my own stupidity and clumsiness, so I should be the one to pick up the scraps and start again. It won't take me long. And if it does, then I have a ton of podcasts to catch up on.

[Sigurd]

I'm actually trying to avoid building it underground, because existing doors/new doors can ruin the village chaining. If I build it at the maximum build height, there will be little chance of a wooden door interfering with the farm.

Yes... I was not suggesting to build it under street level, I was more indicating the possibility to completely encase the farm at a certain height... say y:200, to leave room for a structure on top i.e. a spire.
I am guessing that you'll soon find out if the doors in near structures interfere with the farm and we should probably keep doors to a minimum internally in the scraper

[spankythehippo]

Yes... I was not suggesting to build it under street level, I was more indicating the possibility to completely encase the farm at a certain height... say y:200, to leave room for a structure on top i.e. a spire.
I am guessing that you'll soon find out if the doors in near structures interfere with the farm and we should probably keep doors to a minimum internally in the scraper

Bear in mind that the glass used in this farm needs to have unobstructed sky access.

[Sigurd]

Bear in mind that the glass used in this farm needs to have unobstructed sky access.

Shouldn't be a problem... There should be at least the 19x19 iron golem spawn area that could be a foot print of a spire.

[Nigel]

I am planning on building a sugarcane factory in either the absolute top left of the grid (or the one to the right of it)

Something like this.

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Isn't that building located near Battersea Park, London?

I like the suggestions here and and all the discussion and effort to make the new buildings fit well into the picture of our city centre

[TinCow]

Sorry about that portal issue. I have a feeling it's a problem with the MyWorlds plugin. There are various ways around it, but it seems a bit pointless to try and fix it given that the mod itself has to be upgraded when 1.7 comes out. Until then, just use home to get back from the end. I doubt it will be much longer before Bukkit 1.7 is out.

For the Iron Farm situation, another option would be to use another world to store the thing. I can set the spawn chunks in any additional world to be loaded just like they are in the main world. If you want, I could make a small permanent world just for the Iron Farm and leave it loaded. We could then put a portal to it anyplace in the City, thus providing easy and permanent access to the farm without having to fit it into the existing spawn area. That said, if you can fit it in without it looking like crap, that's fine too.

[BSmith]

Factoryworld!

[spankythehippo]

For the Iron Farm situation, another option would be to use another world to store the thing. I can set the spawn chunks in any additional world to be loaded just like they are in the main world. If you want, I could make a small permanent world just for the Iron Farm and leave it loaded. We could then put a portal to it anyplace in the City, thus providing easy and permanent access to the farm without having to fit it into the existing spawn area. That said, if you can fit it in without it looking like crap, that's fine too.

If a separate world is really no problem, then I wouldn't mind building all the automated factories there, although I do want to build the sugarcane factory for cosmetic reasons too. If a separate world is created, are you going to make it superflat or natural?

I'm really unsure about which way to go. If a separate world is created, then I can make the storage silo as big as can be, and not worry about the look of it. But having it in the Overworld gives a sense of... cosiness, for lack of a better term. And it's kind of a challenge to take this contraption and beautify it by encasing it with a gargantuan building.

Honestly, I'd rather not have a say. I'm totally fine with building it anywhere.

[Ishmael]

@TinCow, does your automatic Wither crusher still exist? And if so, would you mind if I use it?

[Sigurd]

Sorry about that portal issue. I have a feeling it's a problem with the MyWorlds plugin. There are various ways around it, but it seems a bit pointless to try and fix it given that the mod itself has to be upgraded when 1.7 comes out. Until then, just use home to get back from the end. I doubt it will be much longer before Bukkit 1.7 is out.

No problem.
The only reason I opted for the portal was due to a brief visit to the endfarm to fix my bow (needed 36 exp), and I had just spent a /home to get myself swiftly to my nether portal from wherever I was when I logged on.

[TinCow]

If a separate world is really no problem, then I wouldn't mind building all the automated factories there, although I do want to build the sugarcane factory for cosmetic reasons too. If a separate world is created, are you going to make it superflat or natural?

I'm really unsure about which way to go. If a separate world is created, then I can make the storage silo as big as can be, and not worry about the look of it. But having it in the Overworld gives a sense of... cosiness, for lack of a better term. And it's kind of a challenge to take this contraption and beautify it by encasing it with a gargantuan building.

Honestly, I'd rather not have a say. I'm totally fine with building it anywhere.

I agree that it would be cooler and more impressive if it could be incorporated into the main world, but I do not know enough about it to render an opinion as to whether that is possible.

@TinCow, does your automatic Wither crusher still exist? And if so, would you mind if I use it?

Yep, the entrance is from my workshop. I cleaned it up a lot and added auto-regenerating curtain walls to contain the damage.

[Sigurd]

Alright, I couldn't let it go. It's like blood scent for a great white, I guess.

Tested the farm on a creative world. Started building the farm at 192 height. I would recommend maybe a few blocks higher.
Roof of the doors ended up at 198. Added a second roof on top of the golem spawn which is 2 blocks over the villagers captured in the corners. The spire goes all the way to the max build height.

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This structure would favour a box roof before making the spire structure. But I think we are at the right height here proportional wise as the main spire structure (cylinder) needs to be longer.

As you can see the farm takes very little vertical space. It takes only a very thin belt of the length of the scraper. Which is ideal for a empire state kind of building, which needs an indented center of the main structure down to the rectangular base.

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From the ground.

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As you can see there are two quite large open squares at the north east and the south west corner. Which could be roof access to the scraper. We should probably contain the visitors to those corners.

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Yeah... I used yellow stained glass. I am really looking forward to the 1.7 update. Stained glass is one of those things that mincraft sorely lacked.

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[Ishmael]

Yep, the entrance is from my workshop. I cleaned it up a lot and added auto-regenerating curtain walls to contain the damage.

Well, that could have gone better. I was apparently too tardy in flipping the crusher lever, and so the Wither managed to get out of its bedrock indentation. After three deaths I conceded the melee approach wasn't going anywhere and sent in some iron golems which managed to kill it - two survived and are now wandering the spawning chamber. Your self-repairing walls really paid off here .

[TinCow]

Well, that could have gone better. I was apparently too tardy in flipping the crusher lever, and so the Wither managed to get out of its bedrock indentation. After three deaths I conceded the melee approach wasn't going anywhere and sent in some iron golems which managed to kill it - two survived and are now wandering the spawning chamber. Your self-repairing walls really paid off here .

I'm glad it worked out ok. Was there any damage to the mechanism?

FWIW, therother and I killed a 'free range' Wither once without much difficulty. We used fully enchanted diamond armor, heavily enchanted bows, and chugged a few potions before we spawned it. I think the thing died in about 30-45 seconds. So, it's very doable if you have the right kit.

[Ishmael]

I'm glad it worked out ok. Was there any damage to the mechanism?

FWIW, therother and I killed a 'free range' Wither once without much difficulty. We used fully enchanted diamond armor, heavily enchanted bows, and chugged a few potions before we spawned it. I think the thing died in about 30-45 seconds. So, it's very doable if you have the right kit.

The mechanism didn't seem to be working properly afterwards, so you might want to check that out. It definitely is possible to kill it manually if you're prepared - I took it down to nearly half health with my enchanted diamond armour and sword - but once I had to come back in with iron, it was killing me and regenerating faster than I could damage it. It gave BSmith (who was online at the time) some good entertainment, though.

[TinCow]

I've got a 4 day weekend coming up which would be ideal for the upgrade and map editing. Let's hope that Bukkit get their version out soon.