French Paper Offices Bombed Over A Joke

[Rhyfelwyr]

Sophistry at best. rory actually wrote "with the IRA..." whereas you have tried a desperate save by adding (Provisional). Before the Provos, the IRA fought the occupation of the entire country.

complete bollox, I put Provisional in brackets because I presumed that's what Rory was talking about (since we were talking about the Gaddafi link) and I did it to distinguish them from the earlier IRA.

I did that because when people talk about the IRA they almost always mean the Provos, but IMO its not fair to tar the earlier version with the same brush.

I was not trying to make a "desperate save", of course the Norman invasion was every bit as irrelevant to the IRA of the 1920's as it was to the Provisionals from the 60's+.

Then again you probably know everything I just said above and were just a bit keen to score a point.

And I am bemused that you can perpetuate such an extraordinary claim. The history is certainly more complicated than just "Irish v English" but your contention here is comedic - but not untypical of loyalist apologists, especially those residing far-off in Scotland.

"loyalist apologists". Ho frickin hum whats the point in even trying.

But at least tell me which of my claims were so "comedic". That Ireland was incorporated into a British state. Or that the modern loyalist population is largely of Scots descent.

As for being "far-off in Scotland", do you think I would have more of a right to comment on events in Ulster if I lived in the Republic?

EDIT: In fact Banquo, what about your Republican heroes like James Connolly, born and raised in Edinburgh? Guess they never knew what was going on?

Ulster loyalism/Irish republicanism is a lot more relevant today in (parts of) Scotland than 26 of your own islands counties.

[gaelic cowboy]

Etc etc

Would you prefer the terms occupation and subjugation to invasion then??

[Rhyfelwyr]

lol@ the video.

I am sorry I am angry gc, it is because of RL issues and Banquo's tone made me mad.

Would you prefer the terms occupation and subjugation to invasion then??

Sure there was a lot of that in Ireland's history, just as there were invasions. The question is how far was the PIRA's (and even the IRA's)campaign a direct response to those (and in particular, from "the English").

Was it in response to the 12th century Norman invasion? Hardly.

Was it in response to 16-19th century 'colonialism'. The Gaelic Irish no doubt were subjugated by an Anglo-Irish elite (that had nothing to do with the long-assimilated Normans, and were very much Anglo-Irish as opposed to English, as the Wars of the Three Kingdoms made clear), and yet so were the Presbyterian Scots settlers.

Was it in response to 20th century loyalist rule? Aye, now you're onto something, although once again it is not English oppression the Republicans are against. They have some grievances in terms of civil rights through an Irish-based institution in the NI Parliament, although mainly they are fighting a civil war because of their nationality.

And of course polite British society hates loyalists. Don't think Westminster would bat an eyelid about handing over the 6 counties to Dublin. There's a reason the first shootout the British army had in NI in the troubles wasn't with the IRA, but on the Shankill Road against loyalists.

We've always been bad at PR. When republicans supported the ANC in their imagery/rhetoric, we chose apartheid. When they chose Palestine, we chose Israel. When they chose the progressive left, we chose the reactionary right. Because that's just how we roll, yo.

[Banquo's Ghost]

lol@ the video.

I am sorry I am angry gc, it is because of RL issues and Banquo's tone made me mad.

Well, I'm sorry for that, but I've heard enough twisting of history from both sides to last me a lifetime. This most recent post #56 is a good example of the current loyalist theme (amusingly similar to the paranoia of the nationalists thirty years back) whereas I can assure you, having been in the thick of the military aspect of the Troubles in the eighties, how powerful a lobby was that of Loyalism and how tenaciously London defended those interests. I even have a number of graves I can show you to prove it.

But nothing I say will convince you, and we are way off topic, so I shall bow out.