Official Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim thread!

[econ21]

I've pre-ordered Skyrrim, but more out of habit than expectation. Nothing about the advance notice has grabbed my attention (I am particularly non-plussed by the dragon theme, suffering from dragon fatigue with Dragon Age and WoW: Cataclysm. And I find the idea of taking defeated dragon's essences distinctly bleh.). However, these Elder Scroll games are always sumptuous meaty affairs, if not ultimately to my taste.

Not overly impressed with Beth's last two games in Oblivion and Fallout 3, nowhere near enough quests.

I don't want to be confrontational, but I find this comment a little mind-boggling. Oblivion seems to have a virtually endless number of quests. (I bought the official game guide which lists them all and it is not a short volume.) [EDIT: Google says something in the region of 180-200 quests in the game.] I think the root problem with Beth is that they go for quantity over quality. I burnt out long before I had worked all the way up even one of the guilds or finished the main quest.

Recently I have gone back to Fallout 3 and must say I was pleasantly surprised: it was a far better game than I remembered. I particularly liked the start and the main story involving your Dad (I admit, I am a bit in awe of Liam Neeson). I am wavering on giving up at level 16, but am pretty sure I have done only a fraction of the quests. The world seems very large and I have not explored most of it. I particularly like the feel of FO3 - it feels just like you would imagine a post-apocalyptic DC would - whereas I found Oblivion's generic fantasty setting did not grip me (unlike say Morrowind's more outlandish setting).

I've also gone back to FO: New Vegas, which may have more quests than FO3 but also seems more likely to induce exhaustion.

Small can be beautiful.

[Vuk]

I've pre-ordered Skyrrim, but more out of habit than expectation. Nothing about the advance notice has grabbed my attention (I am particularly non-plussed by the dragon theme, suffering from dragon fatigue with Dragon Age and WoW: Cataclysm. And I find the idea of taking defeated dragon's essences distinctly bleh.). However, these Elder Scroll games are always sumptuous meaty affairs, if not ultimately to my taste.



I don't want to be confrontational, but I find this comment a little mind-boggling. Oblivion seems to have a virtually endless number of quests. (I bought the official game guide which lists them all and it is not a short volume.) [EDIT: Google says something in the region of 180-200 quests in the game.] I think the root problem with Beth is that they go for quantity over quality. I burnt out long before I had worked all the way up even one of the guilds or finished the main quest.

Recently I have gone back to Fallout 3 and must say I was pleasantly surprised: it was a far better game than I remembered. I particularly liked the start and the main story involving your Dad (I admit, I am a bit in awe of Liam Neeson). I am wavering on giving up at level 16, but am pretty sure I have done only a fraction of the quests. The world seems very large and I have not explored most of it. I particularly like the feel of FO3 - it feels just like you would imagine a post-apocalyptic DC would - whereas I found Oblivion's generic fantasty setting did not grip me (unlike say Morrowind's more outlandish setting).

I've also gone back to FO: New Vegas, which may have more quests than FO3 but also seems more likely to induce exhaustion.

Small can be beautiful.

It really seemed to me that Oblivion had a lot of quests too when I first started playing (a mind-boggling amount in fact), but after creating several characters, I tried to do different things with them and soon came disappointed with how small the game suddenly felt.

[Xehh II]

Can't say I'm too excited about this game, I'll probably get it at some point but can't say i'd like it that much. I mean the people who make the elder scrolls game have created a massive world with interesting history and stuff and all they do is pick little parts of it to play, IMO they should have made TES 5 more with the scope of Arena, where all of Tamriel is available and they should have set it during the aftermath of oblivion where you could either help the other kingdoms break away from the empire or try and keep the empire together as a republic(they have that high council or somethingso it wouldn't to too hard to make a republic), or even try to become a new emperor yourself. This would be awesome because one province games are just too small for the epic elder scrolls universe they've created.

[johnhughthom]

Disagreeing with somebody's opinion isn't necessarily confrontational econ.

I do wonder what exactly they are counting in that 180-200 quests for Oblivion. We had the main quest, 3 guilds, I think 2 quests per town and that was pretty much it as I recall, Fallout 3 wasn't much better.

[Scienter]

I'm really looking forward to it! I'll be getting it the day it comes out. Lucky for me, I don't have work on 11/11!

[Lemur]

My feelings:

[lars573]

Can't say I'm too excited about this game, I'll probably get it at some point but can't say i'd like it that much. I mean the people who make the elder scrolls game have created a massive world with interesting history and stuff and all they do is pick little parts of it to play, IMO they should have made TES 5 more with the scope of Arena, where all of Tamriel is available and they should have set it during the aftermath of oblivion where you could either help the other kingdoms break away from the empire or try and keep the empire together as a republic(they have that high council or somethingso it wouldn't to too hard to make a republic), or even try to become a new emperor yourself. This would be awesome because one province games are just too small for the epic elder scrolls universe they've created.

If ES 6 comes out on the next iterations of the main consoles it might be able to pull that off. Making a game like that would require MASSIVE game resources. And Arena was massively generic in terms of the worlds look. I've seen pics of the towns and cities and they all look like Oblivions heartlands setting. Really making more than one provinces the focus would require more than current storage media would allow. And before you even breath digital distro, this game was created for the Xbox and Playsation Primarily. Meaning that is not really an option. So until a sotrage media of greater quantity is around 1 Province per game is all we're getting.

Disagreeing with somebody's opinion isn't necessarily confrontational econ.

I do wonder what exactly they are counting in that 180-200 quests for Oblivion. We had the main quest, 3 guilds, I think 2 quests per town and that was pretty much it as I recall, Fallout 3 wasn't much better.

You need to count again. The main quest has like 40-50 quests. If you count the ones that have a dozen sub-quests (I'm looking at you allies for Bruma). The Fighters guild and Mages guild goes almost that high (~35). The Dark brotherhood and the Thieves guild clock in at about 30 each. The arena has 3 fights per rank until the Grand championship (I'm counting each one as a quest as your given the fight by an NPC and paid after you win). Seeing as there are 8 ranks under Grand Champion that's 24, so 25 with GC. Each city (minus Kvatch with 1) has and average of 6 side quests. There are 20 Daedric quests. Maybe a dozen settlement quests. And lastly Freeform quests (which are usually finding the quest item and tracking down the quest giver). So yeah 200 quests in Oblivion is not an exaggeration. With all the DLC is probably gets up to 250.

[Xehh II]

Really making more than one provinces the focus would require more than current storage media would allow. And before you even breath digital distro, this game was created for the Xbox and Playsation Primarily. Meaning that is not really an option. So until a sotrage media of greater quantity is around 1 Province per game is all we're getting.

This proves consoles have killed the days of truely epic gaming, I don't care if arena was generic it was still an epic game. The elder scrolls started on PC and should stay primary for PC and console second, what they are doing now, as in basically making a console game and then porting it to PC just does not do any justice to the series at all.

[Vladimir]

No. What it does is earn them enough money to make epic games.

They need to follow the money.

[lars573]

Even the though that this is a "quick fix" is such male bovine excrement it boggles the mind.

This proves consoles have killed the days of truely epic gaming, I don't care if arena was generic it was still an epic game. The elder scrolls started on PC and should stay primary for PC and console second, what they are doing now, as in basically making a console game and then porting it to PC just does not do any justice to the series at all.

These days not making an Xbox game and porting it to the PC and Playstation (which is the norm btw) is financial suicide for a game like the ES. That costs tens of millions and thousands of man hours over 5 years to develop. Console games out sell PC games 1000 to 1. The PC on it's own is not a cost effective platform anymore for anything beyond more-pigs.

[a completely inoffensive name]

This proves consoles have killed the days of truely epic gaming, I don't care if arena was generic it was still an epic game. The elder scrolls started on PC and should stay primary for PC and console second, what they are doing now, as in basically making a console game and then porting it to PC just does not do any justice to the series at all.

Larger land area != more epic.

[johnhughthom]

You need to count again. The main quest has like 40-50 quests. If you count the ones that have a dozen sub-quests (I'm looking at you allies for Bruma). The Fighters guild and Mages guild goes almost that high (~35). The Dark brotherhood and the Thieves guild clock in at about 30 each. The arena has 3 fights per rank until the Grand championship (I'm counting each one as a quest as your given the fight by an NPC and paid after you win). Seeing as there are 8 ranks under Grand Champion that's 24, so 25 with GC. Each city (minus Kvatch with 1) has and average of 6 side quests. There are 20 Daedric quests. Maybe a dozen settlement quests. And lastly Freeform quests (which are usually finding the quest item and tracking down the quest giver). So yeah 200 quests in Oblivion is not an exaggeration. With all the DLC is probably gets up to 250.

Meh, each arena fight counts as a quest? Laughable.

Anyhoo, I weakened and bought it. My enmity toward Oblivion is probaby more to do with it not being Morrowind 2 than anything else. Though I still think it was sparse quest wise. My dislike of Fallout 3 is more to do with my dislike of Liam Neeson as an actor, though again it had too few real quests, though I did enjoy exploring the wasteland. I believe it has a different level up system, something more akin to Fallout than Elder Scrolls, which would be good. Hopefully it's more than just having perks. I find it difficult not to manage levelling my skills in Elder Scrolls games, hopefully it isn't an issue this time.

[Drunk Clown]

Good news,

- Fast travel system.
- Imperial Legion is less medieval as in Oblivion.