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    I remember watching Super Size Me where a school had pretty much signed a contract with a local bakery and culinary school or something to cook the school's lunches everyday. If that kind of thing was feasible everywhere, it would be win-win for everyone. Healthy lunches and permanent jobs.
    Way too expensive, but the best way to do it for sure. Fast-Food shouldn't be available at schools at all imho. Let the lazy buggers make their own lunch.

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    In our socialistic nightmare state we have had free school meals since 1948 in all primary and secondary school´s.No pizza or burgers.There is a buffet of similar dishes of stuff eaten in Finnish home cooking. We havent gone bancrupt yet over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Way too expensive, but the best way to do it for sure. Fast-Food shouldn't be available at schools at all imho. Let the lazy buggers make their own lunch.
    That was actually the interesting thing - IIRC* the cost in that particular case that ACIN is referring to was not vene higher.


    *not sure as it has been quite some time since I watched it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Clegane View Post
    That was actually the interesting thing - IIRC* the cost in that particular case that ACIN is referring to was not vene higher.
    I find that rather hard to believe, unless it's a really small (private)school. How do you handle the logistics of fresh products for a big one and beat the big boys prizewise, not possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I find that rather hard to believe, unless it's a really small (private)school. How do you handle the logistics of fresh products for a big one and beat the big boys prizewise, not possible
    Atleast in Finland, the School has its own restaurant where they cook the food.Logistics is no more complicated then logistics of any restaurant.In matter of fact lot more simpler as the variety of dishes is non existant compared to restaurants as they only serve one main variety and few others for those with food allergies etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    Atleast in Finland, the School has its own restaurant where they cook the food.Logistics is no more complicated then logistics of any restaurant.In matter of fact lot more simpler as the variety of dishes is non existant compared to restaurants as they only serve one main variety and few others for those with food allergies etc.
    Not saying it can't be organised, but you can't outprice mass-production. Someone who says one can is lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Not saying it can't be organised, but you can't outprice mass-production. Someone who says one can is lying.
    To me as citizen it is much more important that the children are eating healthy food even if it costs bit more compared to eating processed crap so i can save few cents in taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    To me as citizen it is much more important that the children are eating healthy food even if it costs bit more compared to eating processed crap so i can save few cents in taxes.
    Of course. It's an excellent proposal of the Obama administration I wish those responsible for this 'pizza is vegetable' trick a traffic-jam in their main arteries for trying to sabotage this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Not saying it can't be organised, but you can't outprice mass-production. Someone who says one can is lying.
    I actually disagree - do not overestimate the efficiency of the "big boys". Their cost for logistics and overhead can be staggering and out of proportion. I have seen enough canteens/cafeterias to feel pretty confident with the statement that the correlation between size/prize/quality is pretty much non-existant. In theory the big players should beat the "mom-and-pop shops" in reality this is not necessarily the case.

    Putting together e.g. a proper pasta dish with a salad for prize that can compete with burgers/pizza is not unfeasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Clegane View Post
    Putting together e.g. a proper pasta dish with a salad for prize that can compete with burgers/pizza is not unfeasible.
    However, the quality needs to match. From experience, they got rid of the "good quality" food and replaced it with really poor quality processed "healthier" option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I find that rather hard to believe, unless it's a really small (private)school. How do you handle the logistics of fresh products for a big one and beat the big boys prizewise, not possible
    The key is that it was just a sideline for the main business. I.e. the company delivering the lunch was already in the business of turning ingredients into meals, so the necessary logistics were already taken care of. The school is just another, if big, customer in that case.
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    I think it could be done anywhere as long as you make it gradual. Say you have a school but only a few small local bakeries, simply make it a slow transition by getting the most you can out of the bakeries and when the student inevitably go for the fresh, awesome tasting stuff (you can't fake good bread), then the school can justify a long term contract with the bakeries, increasing demand every year, which will prompt the bakeries to expand and hire more people. Same goes for whatever company is hired for food preparation.


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    ehm... ATPG is a vegetable? :O

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    Bit of a fruit

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