Humbling courage

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 11-21-2011, 11:28

While I applaud the sentiment, and fully support it, the use of nudity by feminists has an ugly history of backfiring. The most important thing, though, is her point that women in countries like Egypt conform for fear of harassment, not out of choice.

**Fragony** · 11-21-2011, 11:50

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

While I applaud the sentiment, and fully support it, the use of nudity by feminists has an ugly history of backfiring. The most important thing, though, is her point that women in countries like Egypt conform for fear of harassment, not out of choice.

I think it's really appropiate here, covering up vs full nudity. She couldn't have made a stronger statement.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 11-21-2011, 12:06

Originally Posted by Fragony

I think it's really appropiate here, covering up vs full nudity. She couldn't have made a stronger statement.

True, but I want to see the picture not because I want to appreciate her artistic and political point, but because I want to see a pretty girl in the nude.

Which is why I haven't looked it up.

**Fragony** · 11-21-2011, 12:27

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

True, but I want to see the picture not because I want to appreciate her artistic and political point, but because I want to see a pretty girl in the nude.

Which is why I haven't looked it up.

Sexuality is in the intention, she just looks very vulnerable. Probably won't affect you that way

**Cute Wolf** · 11-21-2011, 12:45

oh boy... she's really revolutionary!

but... hell yeah... I just hope that girl won't get any mistreatments or tortures from society there

ADD:
allready seen the photos... at least it was pretty artistic.

I bet if she was expelled from Egypt, I'm sure a lot of "good guys" in Europe and America will want to give her "help" and "shelter"

**Fragony** · 11-21-2011, 13:31

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

oh boy... she's really revolutionary!

but... hell yeah... I just hope that girl won't get any mistreatments or tortures from society there

ADD:
allready seen the photos... at least it was pretty artistic.

I bet if she was expelled from Egypt, I'm sure a lot of "good guys" in Europe and America will want to give her "help" and "shelter"

heh she's welcome at maisson Frag, but I sure don't want to be the one explaining to her that progressive people have respect here, and that they will psycho-analyse her to find out why she got it all wrong

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 11-21-2011, 14:35

Originally Posted by Fragony

Sexuality is in the intention, she just looks very vulnerable. Probably won't affect you that way

It's not about how the image will affect me, it's about me wanting to see her naked in order to objectify her as a sex object. Not something I'm poud of, but the point stands. modesty is the flip side of the self-control we expect from others. I restrain myself from looking, and in return I ask not to be tempted.

The problem with that is it's exactly the argument the bigots use, it's a slippery slope between recognising that we aren't Higher Beings shorn of our bodies, and oppression. The key, I believe, is reciprocal equalitiy and moderation. In this case, woman shouldn't have to cover up more than men, and both should be relatively uncovered because the more you cover the more you invite speculation.

**Fragony** · 11-21-2011, 14:58

A covered woman is nothing to me, I don't see them as human beings, they are just things. To me in her nakedness she shows me who she really is, she's anything but an object. It's tragic but also beautiful

**rory_20_uk** · 11-21-2011, 16:36

Women as a cohort are focused on things. Their genetic programming is to get someone who can provide for them and their offspring.

Men as a cohort are focused on women. Their genetic programming is to get fertile, healthy women to have many, healthy offspring.

So, men are keen to flash symbols of their status around and women are keen to show no wrinkles.