Humbling courage

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 11-22-2011, 06:34

Definitely agree with Nowake...

**Fragony** · 11-22-2011, 07:08

'But if we, as civilized western people, accept MLK as one of our Heroes, then how can we not apply his ideals to a parallel situation?'

Agreed although I'd pick Rosa Parks, that wasn't very constructive either, she was also a blunt tool. Blunt tools change things for the better or worse, elections, or any ritual dance won't change anything in Egypt. Whoever wins the election doesn't really matter, the real power is still the army, and as I said before power doesn't negotiate over there

**Fragony** · 11-22-2011, 07:16

'Well, the issue Nowake has raised is mostly one of, as far as I see it, timing. "Wait[ing]", here, would involve a few weeks.'

Why let the whole world watching go to waste? Perfect timing.

**Ronin** · 11-22-2011, 11:37

not curvy enough for my tastes...next.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 11-22-2011, 12:58

Originally Posted by Ronin

not curvy enough for my tastes...next.

The idea that we might have tastes in common makes me slightly queasy.

In any case, your analysis has been over taken by events, I don't think the elections will go ahead, and you missed one vital point in any case. The fact is, if this girl poses before elections she undermines the liberals, if she waits until afterwards she undermines the new "liberal" parliament and creates the impressions it is ushering a new era of "depravity".

The only conclusion to be reached is that there is no time in Egypt when she can "safely" take her clothes off. In any case, if you have to "wait" to do something it isn't actual freedom coming over the hill it's just a vaneer and even if it is real freedom making her "wait" to take her clothes off would forever undermine the mythos of the revolution, which would undermine Egyptian democracy for the future.

**Ironside** · 11-22-2011, 19:11

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

The idea that we might have tastes in common makes me slightly queasy.

In any case, your analysis has been over taken by events, I don't think the elections will go ahead, and you missed one vital point in any case. The fact is, if this girl poses before elections she undermines the liberals, if she waits until afterwards she undermines the new "liberal" parliament and creates the impressions it is ushering a new era of "depravity".

The only conclusion to be reached is that there is no time in Egypt when she can "safely" take her clothes off. In any case, if you have to "wait" to do something it isn't actual freedom coming over the hill it's just a vaneer and even if it is real freedom making her "wait" to take her clothes off would forever undermine the mythos of the revolution, which would undermine Egyptian democracy for the future.

There's the minor difference between "immidiate political backlash" and "potential to move the position forward until the next election".

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 11-22-2011, 22:47

Originally Posted by Ironside

There's the minor difference between "immidiate political backlash" and "potential to move the position forward until the next election".

It's the difference between genetic variation within the species and actual evolution, attitudes among the Egyptian majority need to change before the situation for women can genuinely improve.

**Fragony** · 11-24-2011, 06:00

Originally Posted by Ironside

There's the minor difference between "immidiate political backlash" and "potential to move the position forward until the next election".

If she does it now and gets killed it has an impact, if she does it after the elections and she gets killed she's an anonymous victim. Things aren't looking very good for the elections anyway at the moment.