Table for One

[Ja'chyra]

Just my two cents from an observer's POV.

Observer or player????????

Rhyfhylwyr

Seriously bud, I know you're into your religion and all that but sex outside of marriage is Ok and it is everyones own choice if they want to flit around so long as they know enough, and respect themselves enough, to make sure it's on their own terms. I honestly don't know why people give it such deep meaning, educate and then act responsibly but don't impose your morals.

[Rhyfelwyr]

How am I imposing my morals?

[Ja'chyra]

How am I imposing my morals?

Should've put some returns in between the last two sentences.

You aren't imposing your morals but some do, or at least try to, namely religions.

But what make you think your way is better?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Moral rules are generally supposed to be imposed. That's kind of the point.

You can criticize the simplicity of "No sex until marriage" as a rule but that's also a merit...

[Rhyfelwyr]

But what make you think your way is better?

A mixture of gut feelings, scriptural interpretation, ignorance, and superstition.

That's just how I roll these days.

Moral rules are generally supposed to be imposed. That's kind of the point.

Not necessarily, and certainly not through laws/the government. Freedom has moral value in its own right.

[PanzerJaeger]

I think a lot of it is learning by example. The vast majority of married couples I have encountered in my life have been profoundly unhappy, many of whom have eventually sought divorce and all the mess associated with it. That is not to say that happy marriages do not exist - we have a couple of examples here on the .org, if the limited window we have been allowed to view them through is at all accurate. Still, though, I am not particularly motivated to jump into a legally binding monogamous relationship after being exposed to years of bitter fighting, acrimony, and 'just trying to make it for the kid'.

Also, I think a lot of middle to upper class younger people are starting to view kids as an unwanted burden and responsibility and a hindrance to their career. As one of the main reasons for marriage is to legitimate bearing children with a partner, why bother if you are not going to have them? And from the other end of the spectrum, the shame of bearing children out of wedlock seems to have disappeared from the lower classes. Mothers having children from multiple fathers has become quite common. Add the two together, and you get a downward pressure on the institution.

Also, and I hate to be crass, the internet and changing sexual mores have not helped (if marriage is, in fact, deemed a social good instead of the constraint it often seems to become). I can spend twenty minutes online and find a suitable sexual partner for the night if that is what I want. You do not have to work for it anymore.

[naut]

Never heard of Hikikomori?