any way to upgrade arrows in the game?

[sunburst123]

so yeah im back from a long long time to eb, and currently im in the instalation procces but theres something that i, always hated. the arrows in
EB vs armored , yep.
so here is the deal i know that in RL a nomad band shotting arrows vs full armorad phalanx of succesors wouldnt do shit, but its that correct? i
i mean i remember battles where i blew all the charges from my archers with like 4 or 5 casualities MAX and wih LUCK, and not only vs super armored all the mid strata of armored infantry are like inmune to this, even the archers from the late romans do shit, so my question is theres A MOD, to increase or change the effect in the arrows in the game? but not like Medieval something more balanced :B
> 4 stacks of turkomans
> 4-6 armored knights
> HUR HERP DUR SHOTTING AND RUNNING
>ENEMY FLEES, 0 CASUALITIES
>REPEAT
>PROFIT

[Marcus F]

I to agree with sunburst123, arrows do little damage to armored units (at lest from the front). i recon arrows probably had similar armor penetrating ability to lead bullets, however that did depend on the type of arrow head.

[Basileus_ton_Basileon]

Actually, the reason slingers are still prevalent in the period is precisely due to the fact that archery is still relatively under developed. Most padded jackets, leather armour, linothorax and scale armour were very effective in protecting the body from arrows. Even chain-mail has decent stopping power because of the padding worn underneath. If you want to hurt armour units, slingers and javelins (another prevalent weaponry) are your answer.

However, I'm not saying archers are useless. Cretikoi, Syrians, Steppe and Caucasian archers can do pretty decent damage- more so if you shoot people on their (unshielded) backs. Nonetheless, you'll get more dividends using the archers in their historical role: harassers, ranged flankers and warding off un-armoured (light) troops. They work wonders in slaughtering those pesky skirmishers, evil axe/rhomphia bearing killers and Gaesatae (shoot their unshielded flanks).

As a steppe player, empty your quivers on the enemy ranged and light troops first. Their armoured men will wear themselves out running after your horses. Phalanxes can be shot on the back and lots will die. Even if they're heavily armoured, once you've killed off the light troops guarding their flanks they are notoriously vulnerable to a thunderous charge to the flanks and back.

[FinnishedBarbarian]

I'd say the real problem with ranged units is that rtw mechanics don't take into account which type of weapon caused the casualty, if it did the ranged units could cause more casualties than present because many of those would simply be men who got wounded from a arrow to leg/arm and so forth whereas those who received stabbing wounds or had their arms/legs cut off by scythe would have far less chance to recover.

I have come to accept the (slight) ineffectiveness of ranged units against armored foes because that keep campaign balanced with HA factions, only minus is that AI controlled steppe factions fare quite bad because auto-calculation favors armored units way too much.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

I modded phalanxes to have a lower shield rating. By default, they have a shield rating of 5, same as a hoplite! But a phalangite shield is a lot smaller than a hoplite one! So I lowered phalanx shield rating to 3 for elites, 2 for non-elites. Now they're more vulnerable to arrows.

[Ca Putt]

Personally I think Archers are fine: otherwise HAs would be FAR to OP, the gap between Slingers Archers may be a bit too wide but with those puny bows it's rather clear that they don't to too much damage to guys with armor. Hollywood kinda overrates archers in close to all movies, with the piercing you see in most movies you'd think that Archers must have been the predominant part in every army but infact it's "heavy" Infantry for most, simply as spears and swords proved to be more efficient.
In many Armies bows were exclusive to bunches of highly irregular unarmored "peasants"(or slaves etc) who could aswell have a sling, javelin or a crude rock for throwing.^^

The Phalanx shield is a bit high tho, I still play with it, simply because otherwise Pike vs HA battles are either far too difficult or far to easy, depending on who you play as.