Buffy Mafia 2: A Slayer's Work Game Thread [Concluded]

[BSmith]

Sorry... What? The only way I want to know who he scanned is if he got a vampire/demon/thing ...

UnFoS: Lewwyn, FoS: BSmith

I’m just trying to triangulate some of ATPG’s claims. How do we know if he really is an investigator? Just take is word for it?

He doesn’t have to make it public, but I’d like for us to start testing some of the claims in thread instead of just blindly following.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He doesn’t have to make it public, but I’d like for us to start testing some of the claims in thread instead of just blindly following.

How else do you propose to test it?

Fine, I'll tell you what. I'll inform the person I just scanned last night what I learned about them. And they can step forward and say if it is true or not.

Then, if I'm mafia, you've just got my partner revealed.

Obytheway, if I'm mafia, I should have been scanned already as such. You know, with the metagamers and all that.

Scan me tonight. I don't mind, I should be dead already but someone or someones was or were nice enough to protect me figuring someone else would be silly enough to attack me N1. Bravo to that guy/those guys.

[BSmith]

Fine, I'll tell you what. I'll inform the person I just scanned last night what I learned about them. And they can step forward and say if it is true or not.

Then, if I'm mafia, you've just got my partner revealed.

Having your target verify your claim would be better than nothing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As you might be able to tell, I'm not a simple guilt-innocence scanner.

There's going to be more to the game than that, and I learn different kinds of info.

[Erebus]

For the record, I doubt there is any direct connection between Lewwyn and Kagemusha. Lewwyn should know better now then so publically latch onto a mason or scum buddy.

He's the guy that says "ATPG is scum, therefore Kagemusha isn't and anyone who doesn't think my way is stupid." Probably no active connection.

As for my input, all I can say is that ATPG is the easy lynch. People are still bitter or enthralled by his recent performance, and really need to get over him.

Chances are that someone scanned him and we know it wasn't Kagemusha.

The one problem I have is the claim that ATPG was roleblocked when obviously we now know he wasn't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For the record, I doubt there is any direct connection between Lewwyn and Kagemusha. Lewwyn should know better now then so publically latch onto a mason or scum buddy.

He's the guy that says "ATPG is scum, therefore Kagemusha isn't and anyone who doesn't think my way is stupid." Probably no active connection.

As for my input, all I can say is that ATPG is the easy lynch. People are still bitter or enthralled by his recent performance, and really need to get over him.

Chances are that someone scanned him and we know it wasn't Kagemusha.

The one problem I have is the claim that ATPG was roleblocked when obviously we now know he wasn't.

Who claimed that I was roleblocked?

Kagemusha claimed that he was roleblocked, not me.

Did someone claim to roleblock me?

That person is a liar, or.... there are three roleblockers and a rather absurd set of circumstances happened last night. Let's play the odds and say they're a liar.

More likely you're just misremembering who claimed to be blocked.

[Csargo]

As you might be able to tell, I'm not a simple guilt-innocence scanner.

There's going to be more to the game than that, and I learn different kinds of info.

What kinds? You being more specific would be nice.

I don't think Kage or ATPG should be lynched.

Kage reacted the way I would of expected him to under the circumstances.

Even if ATPG is neutral(or whatever he may be at this point, I'm not quite sure) he is willing to work with the town, so there is no point in lynching him if he is cooperating. Given the option he would rather work with the town I think.


In my opinion Lewwyn is a good lynch based on the way he reacted to my vote and how he has acted overall so far. I don't think I've ever played with Lewwyn before so I don't really know. I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

[BSmith]

I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

I don't either. If I was scum, why would I stick my neck out and make such a controversial vote? I wouldn't. I'd stay in the shadows and let it play out naturally.

Engaging with ATPG is playing with fire. I don't think I'd risk getting burned if I was scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't either. If I was scum, why would I stick my neck out and make such a controversial vote? I wouldn't. I'd stay in the shadows and let it play out naturally.

Engaging with ATPG is playing with fire. I don't think I'd risk getting burned if I was scum.

I don't think voting for openly neutral somewhat scummy ATPG is a particularly controversial move. You're painting it as such in retrospect, but it wasn't.

"If I were scum" is another one of those defenses scum use far too often. Your defense is essentially: That thing I'm doing is risky, and I never take risks as a scum. What if it's not particularly risky, and what about if you do take risks as a scumbag? I don't buy the narrative you're selling.

You have to figure that I've got protection at night, so how else do you kill me? Someone can take one for the team and accuse me. Cults expand. Losing one member in exchange for a hostile, powerful, investigator Pizzaguy is a very safe trade.

No, you're not going to wiggle out of this one so easily.

[Riedquat]

I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

Me neither.... unvote; vote: abstain

[Montmorency]

Secondly, Kagemusha isn't reading townie here. He's not reading anything much of anything yet, but since he's on the chopping block and has already admitted he's a power role, why has he abstained from saying which one?

Well, Pizza, you yourself said we'd all be power roles, no?

It's also interesting that you are systematically attacking guys as soon as it becomes personally expedient.

I also openly declared neutral

Uhhh, the way you keep emphasizing your neutrality is giving me some flashbacks.

the pain away...

There's nothing further to be gained from pressuring me.

Your character, Pizza.

WHO ARE YOU?

I can also help connect the doctors to each other without revealing them to the mafia.

Already falling back into that role, eh? Think we'll fall for it so easily this time?

I already know is the identity of myself, a doctor, a neutral, and my scan result. It's hardly game-ending stuff. But quit telling me stuff.

What about me, eh?

unvote, vote: Abstain

Do as you will. But I can't make a town-neutral alliance work when all I ever get is this stubbornness.

And trust me, you'll regret not using every resource at your disposal in a cult game. How you deal with this is an indicator of how the other neutrals should play. Should they even attempt to assist the town, or like the dead canary in the coal mine that I'm about to be, will they high-tail it out of townie-ville and just assume they're going to either die and lose the game, or end up as a winning scumbag, dead or not?

You're making very bad choices here, Kagemusha. I can't save myself, but I also can't help protect you from the cults when I'm gone. And I'm telling you, other survivalists won't look on the town as a friend here, if you kill me. Once again, town can choose to try to live, or it can divide itself along partisan lines, and watch the neutrals flee out of basic survival instinct. Learn anything from Capo, it's that a town divided against itself cannot stand, and like it or not, neutrals count as townies as far as game balance is concerned. And your "full" townies weren't incorruptible either in the last game, so you're fooling yourself if you think that regular townies are any better than I am.

Think carefully, because I'd rather be useful help, than a Cassandra who told you so.

Are you threatening us, Lord Sidious?

Unvote; Vote: ATPG

I do not want Lewwyn lynched. Better Pizza than him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What kinds? You being more specific would be nice.

I'm looking for hyoo-mons. It's not just my survival but the survival of other hyoo-mons that concerns me.

That said, there's nothing in my role which says anyone has to die, it just says the hyoo-mons have to live.

I don't think Kage or ATPG should be lynched.

Kage reacted the way I would of expected him to under the circumstances.

It was still worth putting him through the wringer, because after he acted scummily, he started squeezing out droplets of townie-ness.

Even if ATPG is neutral(or whatever he may be at this point, I'm not quite sure) he is willing to work with the town, so there is no point in lynching him if he is cooperating. Given the option he would rather work with the town I think.

Depends, really. Everyone attacking me today can't be mafia, so the townies are giving me every incentive to get my win conditions changed from survival to scum victory. If I can't survive, then what's left for me?

That said, I'm still giving it my every effort. I also don't have much of a choice in the matter, I can't pick sides. I have to follow what my role PM says. I'm willing to bet you a good third of the overall townie population has black instead of green for their name. They win with the town by default, the only thing that makes them want to oppose the town is townies trying to kill them.

In my opinion Lewwyn is a good lynch based on the way he reacted to my vote and how he has acted overall so far. I don't think I've ever played with Lewwyn before so I don't really know. I can't comment on BSmith since I don't really know why people are voting for him.

I see the parallels between his play here and another game where he was scum. That said, we have limited data. He could be acting that way here because that's how he always acts, town or not. I'm willing to keep an open mind but that mind gets pretty closed when peeps try to kill me. I am not sure why that would be surprising to anyone.

Let us kill you and make you lose, Askthepizzaguy. Wait, pizza, why u no liek townies?

Like pulling teeth from a crying, bratty child. I take it back, it needed another negative modifier. But you, Csargo, you give me hope.

Very well, I am Rondell.

http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Rondell

(I have not read this article, btw. I prefer to play based on who is acting scummy, not what role they have)

Part of a street gang that protected neighborhoods from vampires with Gunn, but now Gunn is working for a vampire. As such I don't know if I can trust him anymore. My goal is to protect the humans from the vampires.

I scanned a guy, he was human. I won't be voting for that guy. Easy peasy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

BTW I was Charles Gunn in two games, now I'm his freaking accomplice.

Smokin Gunns, baby. I am starting to think Autolycus wants me to be Gunn or someone like him.

Oh just read the article, it's pretty brief; it says this guy wants to kill demons regardless of alignment. That's not true of my character here. I have no killing powers, just scanning ones, and no mason partners or other allies.

[atheotes]

@ATPG - Mr. Rondell, Are you alone or do you have team mates?