Buffy Mafia 2: A Slayer's Work Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sometimes the you get the metagaming bear, and sometimes the metagaming bear gets you.

I would love to say hello to the person or persons who visited me last night, you deserve to know who I am.

[Montmorency]

Someone scan him, he's up to something!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Someone scan him, he's up to something!

Oh, a scan would be the trifecta. Someone roleblock me as well and we'll have done it all by N2.


Autolycus, I told you this would happen. I said it and I said that's why I didn't want to play.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Someday I'll be a paranoid gun owner or a bomb role and then I'm going to really, really enjoy myself.

[Montmorency]

The problem with all your complaints is, the way you pound them into us just smacks of WIFOM. A very clever, pre-game sort usually. Just in case you get a Mafia role. I'm sure of this, and I do own that it is brilliant. But it also means that you will never be able to just go incognito. You are held accountable by the Mafia-playing population to a greater degree than most Senators are, by the American people. You can't change this, so better to make use of it, turn it to your advantage in this way.

Or something like that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Montmorency

For trying to kill me with demonic powers, then trying to kill me with flattery.

[Montmorency]

So you are the Sith Lord we've been looking for?

[Erebus]

Oh, a scan would be the trifecta. Someone roleblock me as well and we'll have done it all by N2.


Autolycus, I told you this would happen. I said it and I said that's why I didn't want to play.

I misread this, sorry.

[Seon]

Vote: Kagemusha

[atheotes]

There were 2 kils - one by a demon and one by a Vigilante or slayer (stake).

@ ATPG - are you claiming that you were attacked last night and escaped because you were protected?

[thefluffyone93]

U GAIS.

ITSD OBVIBIOUS WHOS TEH MAFIA SKUMZORS IZ.

WE ALL KNOW ITS JOO, SEON.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There were 2 kils - one by a demon and one by a Vigilante or slayer (stake).

@ ATPG - are you claiming that you were attacked last night and escaped because you were protected?

Yes, it does not appear in the writeup but I have better.

There were not just two folks involved in the action, but three. And, it seems in this game when something like that happens to you, you are aware of the event and so are the others aware of others involved at the event.

It's like our night activities give us limited investigative feedback, even when folks aren't detectives. As for myself, I scanned someone uneventfully but on my way back, I was attacked by a "slim" figure and protected twice, by two different folks who don't know each other.

That's a whole lot of corroboration that can be accomplished. I can tell you that two folks can have an alibi for their whereabouts last night and they can even protect each other from dying. Not only that, I have reason to believe that my attacker was actually a slayer as well, due to the stake being used against me.

That would mean I can prove three people are innocent, AND I can scan.

As for myself, I can be protected and scanned. But once that's done, you can reallocate those resources to more directly town-related functions.

You have no threat from me and based on last night, I can be of more help than just revealing scans. I can also help connect the doctors to each other without revealing them to the mafia. And if I were converted later, their being able to protect each other means I still cannot do anything to hurt them.

Now, since I already know one of their identities, the risk is already taken. Your choice is to accept the gift of my help or be stubborn and kill me, in which case I do nothing further to help the town and I in fact do everything I can to harm it, because I lose when I die.

Just take my advice and stop revealing information to me, and my continued survival becomes not only less of a risk to the town, but a very large potential gain due to the investigative services I provide.

But know this townies, I've helped and been killed by you before. I'm just as likely to side with the scums if you do that rigid, ideological, stubborn thing where you only let other townies survive. That's why scumbags are awesome, they are looking for allies and are willing to look outside their own alignment for them.

Don't make the same mistakes. Use my knowledge, I beg you, and you can save yourselves from certain death.

[atheotes]

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I would love to say hello to the person or persons who visited me last night, you deserve to know who I am.

You sound very unsure about what happened - Now you are saying 3 people visited you last night and can corroborate their innocence.

You have claimed that you are "one" of the investigators and to know the identity of a vigilante, protector, and the roleblocker. Now you say you know a "a doctor, a neutral, and my scan result." which is it?

Its strange that an attack would not show up in the write-up....

[atheotes]

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I would love to say hello to the person or persons who visited me last night, you deserve to know who I am.

Here you sound very unsure about what happened - Now you are saying 3 people visited you last night and can corroborate their innocence.

You have claimed that you are "one" of the investigators and to know the identity of a vigilante, protector, and the roleblocker. Now you say you know a "a doctor, a neutral, and my scan result." which is it?

Its strange that an attack would not show up in the write-up....

ATPG, you are yet to answer my question.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, you are yet to answer my question.

Over the course of the round my inbox has been lighting up with communications. The information I have now is better than what I started with, but what I said was correct.

A Slayer will use a stake to kill a vampire, although it can obviously kill ordinary humans as well. I was attacked by a stake-wielding attacker, who fled from two separate defender roles, one was wielding a certain kind of weapon, the other was wielding a different kind of weapon. I'm in contact with one of the two. I know which kind of weapon they had, but I am choosing not to reveal it so someone else can prove themselves if they get defended by the same person, they can name the weapon.

Scumbags aren't going to be using a vigilante's weapon, nor protecting me, therefore all three have good solid alibis. No scans or recruitments possible from them.

I am an investigator and I'm not the only one. The person I scanned is also an investigator, it turns out. I don't know who the vigilante is, and I never said I did, and I don't know the roleblocker and never said I did.

It's not strange that an attack that failed wouldn't show up in the writeup. Not every game host includes failed attacks in their writeups. But everyone involved in my attack/defense is aware that two others also showed up, and I was also aware of it. Therefore you'll find out in due time that I'm not just making this up because it will happen to others.

[atheotes]

Over the course of the round my inbox has been lighting up with communications. The information I have now is better than what I started with, but what I said was correct.

A Slayer will use a stake to kill a vampire, although it can obviously kill ordinary humans as well. I was attacked by a stake-wielding attacker, who fled from two separate defender roles, one was wielding a certain kind of weapon, the other was wielding a different kind of weapon. I'm in contact with one of the two. I know which kind of weapon they had, but I am choosing not to reveal it so someone else can prove themselves if they get defended by the same person, they can name the weapon.

Scumbags aren't going to be using a vigilante's weapon, nor protecting me, therefore all three have good solid alibis. No scans or recruitments possible from them.

I am an investigator and I'm not the only one. The person I scanned is also an investigator, it turns out. I don't know who the vigilante is, and I never said I did, and I don't know the roleblocker and never said I did.

It's not strange that an attack that failed wouldn't show up in the writeup. Not every game host includes failed attacks in their writeups. But everyone involved in my attack/defense is aware that two others also showed up, and I was also aware of it. Therefore you'll find out in due time that I'm not just making this up because it will happen to others.

Sorry, i misread your post about roleblocker and vigilante.
You have a wealth of information. You have claimed neutral and corruptible. That makes you a huge threat to the town. Albeit not your own making but due to the number of people revealing to you for reasons i cannot fathom.
And I am not comfortable with your posturing from "stop metagaming me" to "lynch me" to "the town will lose if you lynch me"

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry, i misread your post about roleblocker and vigilante.
You have a wealth of information. You have claimed neutral and corruptible. That makes you a huge threat to the town. Albeit not your own making but due to the number of people revealing to you for reasons i cannot fathom.
And I am not comfortable with your posturing from "stop metagaming me" to "lynch me" to "the town will lose if you lynch me"

Please keep in mind the non-neutrals are just as corruptible, stop revealing to me is a good plea for me to be making and good advice for others to be heeding, but it shouldn't stop there. Montmorency for example is just as corruptible if he's a townie, and even more dangerous because he's not trying to stop folks from networking, he wants to make the big one.

The town won't lose if you lynch me, but the town will lose if you don't start playing this a little smarter. And honestly, the distinction you're making between neutrals and townies is the exact wrong distinction to be making. Every townie is untrustworthy and all are corruptible, if the pattern from the previous game holds.

You can't keep fixating on my survival win condition, that is less important than the other factors I'm discussing, ones that are extremely pertinent to the town's win regardless of what you end up deciding to do with me. At least play it smarter, so I can feel like I've been of some help.

[Montmorency]

Don't worry, I'm not giving up on you ATPG.

I think the group that Montmorency is putting together is a bad idea. I cannot put it in better words than that. Of course I have never liked the whole townie network.

Montmorency for example is just as corruptible if he's a townie, and even more dangerous because he's not trying to stop folks from networking, he wants to make the big one.

What would constitute a large group? 5? 10? What?

Statement: The risk of betrayal is a risk that may be taken for certain crucial networking purposes. Pizza and Csargo, you do not seem to have certain VCs. You wouldn't understand.

I shoulder all responsibility if any private action of mine causes grievous damage to the town. But that is not yet a given. Let's look back with hindsight only once it is merited.

[Montmorency]

Sorry, Pizza, I can not believe that all townies or neutrals blinkering themselves - what you imply should be done - will be a much better course of action.

[atheotes]

Please keep in mind the non-neutrals are just as corruptible, stop revealing to me is a good plea for me to be making and good advice for others to be heeding, but it shouldn't stop there. Montmorency for example is just as corruptible if he's a townie, and even more dangerous because he's not trying to stop folks from networking, he wants to make the big one.

The town won't lose if you lynch me, but the town will lose if you don't start playing this a little smarter. And honestly, the distinction you're making between neutrals and townies is the exact wrong distinction to be making. Every townie is untrustworthy and all are corruptible, if the pattern from the previous game holds.

You can't keep fixating on my survival win condition, that is less important than the other factors I'm discussing, ones that are extremely pertinent to the town's win regardless of what you end up deciding to do with me. At least play it smarter, so I can feel like I've been of some help.

Agreed that non-neutrals are just as corruptible. but no other corruptible has as much information as you do.
I do not know about what Montmercy is doing behind the scenes. But big town networks in a game of conversions is a bad idea as far as i am concerned.

if the pattern from previous game holds, you are lying about being attacked