Looking to contact modders/creators

[Fleugs]

Hi,

I'm a student in (modern) history, doing my final bachelor year at a Belgium university (K.U. Leuven). For years I have been enjoying the blessing of Rome: Total War and the Europa Barbarorum mod. In light of my education, I have been given a (small, 4000 word) paper to write concerning the perception of history for a "wider public". We were left freely to choose what we would talk about (the only requirement that we would discuss a specific subject from a broad medium), and I chose to 'review' Europa Barbarorum: how it differs from Rome: Total War, how it is more historically accurate, in what way it leads the player of the mod onto a historical accurate path but most of all what the perception of history is through this game, for an average player.

It should be no surprise that I am completely impressed by the variety of detail put into this mod. However, as a good historian, it is necessary for me to trace references and sources. I cannot just take anything for granted. Reading through the FAQ I found out that many of the historical aspects come from field research and/or sources only accessible to academics and scholars. Since our university has access to a large amount of regional, national and international databases, I wonder if I could get those references. I don't need them all, but I would like to have a substantial amount (I'm sure the academics know what I mean). That way I can trace the historical correctness of the mod and put it into contrast with Rome: Total War (& Creative Assembly's view on accurateness of history). I have found some very interesting articles about history & the world of gaming, and how history is perceived through games. It is much comparable to a tv-show, but I strongly believe that EB is an exception. Please do not misunderstand my request for references as a form of criticism, or disbelieve in historical correctness. It's just that it would help my case a lot if I could access the references, and it is an absolute requirement for academical works.

Next to that, if possible, I would love to ask a few small questions about the EB-mod, both about how it came to life, what the original intentions were, ... but I'll be glad with the references. I didn't know what the correct form of contacting the creators was, since they mentions massive spam attacks on their website. Thus I come here. I would be very grateful if I could get a reply. Contact me with a pm for chat/email or drop a post here.

[Tanit]

Hello Fleugs, and welcome to the forum. As a history graduate I understand the need for source material. I have to go to work right now, but rest assured I will return and post a list of my sources later. The EB team is best contacted through Private Messages, or PMs, on this forum. Key members include Paullus, JMRC, Power2the1, Oudysseos, Bobbin, Keravnos and myself as well as many others. For some of our sources and for credits to team members on specific aspects, please review the previews posted in the 'Europa Barbarorum II' sub forum. Thanks for your interest and support!

[Tanit]

Below I will endeavor to post as many bibliographical references as I can, though it should be noted as a disclaimer here that doing such a thing with EB is incredibly difficult due to the number of members involved, the fluid nature of their involvement with us as is often the case, the manner in which we work as a team, that is to say through text on a forum, and the fact that many members have undergone life changes during their time with the mod, such as moving, finishing university and other events which have caused them to leave many of their old sources behind. Also many of our members have gleaned information from personally interviewing or speaking to through correspondence, prominent academics in these fields.

Sources: (In no particular order or bibliographical style)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Libyan Desert: Natural Resources and Cultural Heritage, article 17, The Garamantes: the First Libyan State, David Mattingly, The Society for Libyan Studies, march 2006

The Carthaginians, Dexter Hoyos, Routledge, 2010, New York

War Elephants, Konstantin Nossov, Osprey Publishing, Oxford, 2008

The Cambridge Ancient History Volume VI The Fourth Century B.C., D.M. Lewis et all, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2008

The Project Gutenberg eBook, the History of Rome, Book III, Theodor Mommsen, 2004

North African Rulers and the Roman Military Paradigm, D. Braund, Hermes Vol. 112, No.2, 1984, pp.255-256

Massinissa, P.G. Walsh, The Journal of Roman Studies, Vol. 55, No. 1/2, pp.149-160, 1965Numidian Horsemen on Canosa Vases, M.Rostovtzeff, American Journal of Archaeology, Vol. 50, No. 2, pp.263-267, 1964

Perspectives on Phoenician Art, Shelby Brown, The Biblical Archaeologist, Vol. 55, No.1, pp.6-24, 1992

Ptolemy of Mauretania and the Conspiracy of Gaetulicus, Duncan Fishwick and Brent D. Shaw, Historia: Zeitschrift fur Alte Geschichte, Vol.25, No.4, pp. 491-494, 1976

Rambles in Mauretania Caesariensis (Continued), W.N. Weech, Greece & Rome, Vol. 1, No.2, pp.65-73, 1932

Rambles in Mauretania Caesariensis, W.N. Weech, Greece & Rome, Vol. 1, No.1, pp.3-12, 1931

The Annexation of Mauretania, Duncan Fishwick, Historia: Zeitschrift fur Alte Geschichte, Vol.20, No.4, pp.467-487, 1971

New Data on Ancient Bactrian Body-Armour (In Light of Finds from Kampyr Tepe), Valeri P. Nikonorov and Serge A. Savchuk, Iran, Vol. 30, pp.49-54, 1992

Bosporos and Chersonesos in the 4th-2nd Centuries BC, Evgenij A. Molev, pp, 209-215

The Muscle Cuirass in Etruria and Southern Italy: Votive Bronzes, Emiline Hill Richardson, American Journal of Archaeology, Vol. 100, No.1, pp.91-120, 1996

The Project Gutenberg eBook: The History of Rome, Titus Livius, Trans. D. Spillan and Cyrus Edmonds, 2004

Rome and the Arabian frontier: from the Nabateans to the Saracens. Graf D.F.(1997c)

Possibly bilingual between themudic and nabatean, later Greek.

Repertoire depigraphy se,mtic JB shabo, 1914

Corpus inscriptionum semiticarum by M devogue 1889

Inscriptione Greek e latin de celaseri by PL Gatieh 1986

JI lawlor. The Nabateans in historical perspective. 1974.

Glen W. Bowersock. Roman Arabia 2nd edition 1994.

ADAJ SHAJ journals

Cannae, Adrian Goldsworthy, Phoenix Paperback, London, 2001

Rome and Her Enemies: An Empire Created and Destroyed by War, Jane Penrose, Osprey Publishing, Oxford, 2005

Carthage Must be Destroyed: The Rise and Fall of an Ancient Civilization, Richard Miles, Viking Penguin, New York, 2011

Polybius: The Histories, trans. Robin Waterfield, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 2010

The Histories: Herodotus, trans. G.C.Macaulay, Barnes & Noble Classics, New York, 2004

Carthage: A History, Serge Lancel, Blackwell, Oxford, 1992

Warfare in the Classical World, John Warry, Greenwich Editions, London, 2001

The Jugurthine War, Gaius Crispus Sallust, trans. A.J. Woodman, Penguin Classics, London, 2007

Decoding the Celts: Revealing the Legacy of the Celtic Tradition, Claire Hamilton & Steve Eddy, Grange Books, Rochester, 2008

As the Romans Did: A Sourcebook in Roman Social History, Jo-Ann Shelton, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1988

The Berbers, Michael Brett and Elizabeth Fentress, Blackwell Publishing, Oxford, 1996

The First Punic War, J.F. Lazenby, Stanford University Press, Stanford, 1996

Etruscan Civilization: A Cultural History, Sybille Haynes, The J. Paul Getty Museum, Los Angeles, 2000

Greek Art and Archaeology, John Griffiths Pedley, Prentice Hall, Upper Saddle River, New Jersey, 2002

Roman Art: Romulus to Constantine, Nancy H. Ramage and Andrew Ramage, Prentice Hall, Upper Saddle River, New Jersey,1991

Celts: History and Civilization, Venceslas Kruta, Hachette Illustrated, London, 2004

The Bithynian Army in the Hellenistic Period (no author or Publishing info given, but a well cited work)

And that’s just from me. Some examples of works I used previously but no longer have access to, Manuel D’archeologie Punique, Catalogue of Punic Stelae in the British Museum, Numidia and the Roman Army, Daily Life in Carthage, Tripolitania

I hope this has been helpful!

[Fleugs]

It has been very helpful, thanks! I didn't need much, I just needed a several sources and the possibility to refer to the forum, perhaps.

[Ca Putt]

I think I should save this thread somewhere *sneaky*