Da Feminism Thread

[Andres]

What about discursive situations that can't be solved by law?

I'm not sure if the meaning of the word "discursive" is the same as the Dutch "discursief" and I don't seem to be able to find a translation of it on the web, so if you could explain the meaning of it to this non native speaker, I'd be very much obliged

The government estimates that as many as 95% of rapes are never reported to the police at all.

If those rapes are not reported, then how do we even know they happened? I'm going to be very blunt here: rape is a terrible crime so it seems like a no-brainer to me that anyone who becomes victim of it, reports it. Those who claim that they have been raped, but never reported it, probably weren't raped at all. I simply have a very, very hard time believing that women who are being raped, just let it happen without reporting it. Seems to me like a made-up story to justify the existence of feminist movements and to raise funds for them.

Of the rapes that were reported from 2007 to 2008, only 6.5% resulted in a conviction on the charge of rape. The majority of convictions for rape resulted from an admission of guilt by the defendant, whereas less than one quarter of all those charged with rape were convicted following a successful trial.

And what does that prove? Might as well interprete those figures as evidence that many men are falsely accused of rape. Allthough most of those men are found innocent at the end of the ride, they'll be stigmatised in the community they live in for the rest of their lives. Maybe they even lost their job and/or the right to see their children while the investigation was still ongoing. Maybe the outrage should be aimed more at those who ruin other peoples' lives by falsely accusing them...

Victims were found to experience delays, "unpleasant environments", inappropriate behaviour by professionals, insensitive questioning during interviews and "judgmental or disbelieving attitudes" when coming forward with complaints of rape.

So, the figures above say that most people pressing charges of rape lose their cases. Ask 100 random people who just lost a case in a court of law. Most will be negative about the judge, those who handled their case, the experts, etc etc, because, well, most people are sour losers.

Also, the figures you mentioned above can also prove that most accusations of rape are false. How many of these false accusations were made with an agenda, let's say, while a divorce case was simultaneously running.

As a result, between half and two-thirds of rape cases did not proceed beyond the investigation stage.

Perhaps because most investigations show in an early stage already that there simply was no rape?

The majority of victims decide to withdraw their complaints, while high levels of rape complaints are essentially ignored, with reports pointing to scepticism on the part of the police and "the view that the victim lacks credibility".

Accusations of rape are very serious accusations. Look at your own figures. They may as well prove that most accusations of rape are false. I do think that all accusations should be taken very seriously, but can you really blame overworked policemen for being sceptical, given the fact that most accusations that make it into court, appear to have been false?

The highlighted section is what I'm talking about in terms of the discursive need for feminism - there is just a general unwillingness to believe victims of rape.

OR, there is a disturbingly high number of false accusations. Why do you automatically assume that your conclusion is the only possible right one?

Your example proves nothing