About KH...

[moonburn]

pikes have a massive advantage in auto resolve (altough massive might not be the right word if you know how to use them you always have an advantage against the artificial inteligence)

all combined makedonia aslong as they can keep pella they are the european diadochi as good as ptolomaioi or the arche and they have the best growth expectations with a crapload of mines next to them and acess to the aegean and the adriatic as i said their weakest point is the lack of thorokitai wich sucks when you get sick of fighting every single batle and decide to auto resolve a few batles

[Nightmare]

as i said their weakest point is the lack of thorokitai wich sucks when you get sick of fighting every single batle and decide to auto resolve a few batles

Are thorakitai the heavy spearmen? Why do they lack those? They aren't faction-exclusive, are they? I thought everybody and their mother could produce them?

Either way, why is it an advantage to have thorakitai in auto-resolve? Pikes get a bonus auto-resolve, right, so it seems the pikes would have the advantage, not the thorakitai?

[moonburn]

there´s also the armoured bonus (wich sucks greatly against lusitanians but fares well against romans since the romans also have that advantage of the heavily armoured) so armoured units vs unarmoured deutoroi triarii and pedites win but if you put in a few heavily armoured units you balance that out and get the advantage of the pike bonus

thorokitai are available to the epirotes koinon (koinon also gets the heavy hoplites besides thorokitai) and ptolemaioi the seulekids get the agematos (kind of super thorokitai) while the maks get the reformed peztharoi (more armoured units of pikes but not armoured enough)

if you get bored and start fighting batles in auto resolve you´ll see the diferençes

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Arche Seleukeia also gets regular Thorakitai.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

So does Baktria and even Pontus gets a sword armed equivalent.

[geala]

The Macedons don't get thorakitai because they get two royal guards, oriented roughly on the hypaspistai, one with spear and aspis and one with heavy javelins. However, the guards are only 120 compared to 160 in case of the thorakitai and I did not like them so much in my last (and long gone) Macedonia campaign. Compared to their high costs they performed not so very well.

[seleucid empire]

hypaspistai are quite good, its the pelt-maks that i dont like. i replace them with thorakitai in most of my Hellenistic campaigns

[Tellos Athenaios]

The Macedons don't get thorakitai because they get two royal guards, oriented roughly on the hypaspistai, one with spear and aspis and one with heavy javelins. However, the guards are only 120 compared to 160 in case of the thorakitai and I did not like them so much in my last (and long gone) Macedonia campaign. Compared to their high costs they performed not so very well.

The Maks don't get them, because as I recall the argument historically they didn't really use them. For example the AS gets both those elites you mention, and the Thorakitai...

... The AS also gets chariots and Median cavalry... and missile units...