Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
My decision is made out of fear. I see in organized religion an active force that encourages reactionary behavior. That view is not held without good reason. The only reason I even care is because I have to live with the very real possibility that a Rick Santorum-type could come to power and undo countless years of intellectual and scientific progress--never mind the civil rights concerns.

The ironic part is that my view is no less reactionary--both extremes of this argument operate on the idea that their way of life is at risk sooner or later. So the question we have to ask is this: Who's concerns are more valid, and how do we measure? As long as people push for religious laws in the United States, this will be a serious concern of mine.
If you think religion is too reactionary, my advice is to join the Episcopal Church in the US, become a Bishop, then Presiding Bishop, then be less liberal than the current woman, just conservative enough and traditional enough, to draw people away from the crazies. I'd do it myself but the idea of residing in a country withour free-access healthcare fills me with utter and unqualified terror.

Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
Compare this to:

Crusade 1: Oh this was rubbish
This went really well
Crusade 2: Oh this was rubbish
This went badly
Crusade 3: Oh this was rubbish
This went OK, not a complete success
Crusade 4: Oh this was rubbish
This got sidetracked, but if we'd held Constaninople...
Crusade 5: Oh this was rubbish
Initially went well, failed only due to overstretch short of Cairo, qualified success
Crusade 6: Oh this was rubbish
Resulted in restoration of Jerusalem to Christian hands, except for the Temple Mount.
Crusade 7: Oh this was rubbish
Failed
Crusade 8: Oh this was rubbish
Failed
Crusade 9: Oh this was rubbish
Failed

Hmm, didn't Bush II mention something about a crusade? Or am I just being stupid again?
So, maybe not quite how you presented it?

Quote Originally Posted by spankythehippo View Post
Loki had 3 wives. With his first wife, Glut, he had Einmyria and Eisa. With his second wife, Angrboda, he had Hel, Jormungand and Fenris. With his third and current wife, Sigyn, he had Narvi and Vali (not to be confused with the Vali that Odin made with Rind to avenge Balder's death.)
Actually, Angrboda was not his wife any more than Rind was Odin's, but that wasn't my point. My point was that the Narvi/Vali story looks like a confused retelling of the Baulder/Vali/Fenris arc.

No. I base my theory on the messages the Bible taught. Same with the Qu'ran. Same with the Torah. All 3 religions had very good morals. But nowadays, this is distorted. Albeit, some of the things said in the religious texts are questionable by today's standards.

And no, I'm not surprised it got ripped into. I'm surprised that people will go so far to challenge my thoughts.
I dissagree, Christian "moral" teaching works only in the context of an all powerful God who created the world we inhabit and everything in it, including us.

The message of the Bible is, "Love God and obey him" - it is not actually about being nice to people just for it's own sake, but because we are all called to be God's servants and we are all his children. Given your status as an avowed Athiest, I would think that sits badly with you.