And not to forget that I wonder why the jews need a "safe haven", but what about everyone else?

The holocaust was bad but what are the chances of it being repeated? What about the Palestinians, don't they need a safe haven and a country to be proud of, too?

Israel is not exactly a safe haven right now because it denies other people to have a haven at all and created itself on what used to be those other peoples' haven.

The sooner all sides acknowledge that security isn't achieved by creating conflict the better.

Doesn't mean Israel should be dismantled now but a solution has to be found that gives the Palestinians some security and pride as well.

And what Psycho just said.