The continuation of my Israel experience thread

[Fragony]

The encroachment isn't exactly the result of territorial adjustments following war though. Israel are AFAIK maintaining that they are at a state of peace with the Fatah regime at least, which is the governing power in the Palestinian West Bank, yet they are taking more and more land under Israeli power. Maybe Banquo and Redleg can correct me, but aren't the Palestinians thus entitled to any and all violent resistance within the area internationally recognised as the Palestinian West Bank?

Can answer that for you, not untill there is a Palestinian state, which Hamas & co don't even want in the first place as they would be the ones that are the target first. But anyway what good are laws really, if Hamas and western sympathisers had their way it would mean mass-murder. Like this it's occasionally someone getting hurt and mostly they are the scum of the earth. It doesn't get any better than that. Israel build a wall and it mostly works,

[Pannonian]

Can answer that for you, not untill there is a Palestinian state, which Hamas & co don't even want in the first place as they would be the ones that are the target first. But anyway what good are laws really, if Hamas and western sympathisers had their way it would mean mass-murder. Like this it's occasionally someone getting hurt and mostly they are the scum of the earth. It doesn't get any better than that. Israel build a wall and it mostly works,

Your denial of any Palestinian rights seems to rest on the idea that the Palestinian state does not exist. If the Palestinian state doesn't exist, then its jurisdiction cannot be abused by any and all Israeli encroachment. The problem is, Israeli mostly has a problem with Hamas, who are the governing power in Gaza, while they at least tacitly recognise the Fatah government enough to have held talks with them in the past. If your argument were valid, Israel should be building settlements in the Gaza strip, where Hamas are. With the Gaza strip and the West Bank separated as they are, and with Fatah not having control of the Gaza strip, how does Hamas's behaviour justify the annexation of the West Bank, as per the argument you are advancing?

[Strike For The South]

This is what happens when you deny people beer, bacon, and low cut tops

[gaelic cowboy]

This is what happens when you deny people beer, bacon, and low cut tops

I sure there is some boffin out there who could figure out a way we can have all three in the one package.

[Strike For The South]

I sure there is some boffin out there who could figure out a way we can have all three in the one package.

Ever been to an IHOP at 3 in the morning?

[gaelic cowboy]

Ever been to an IHOP at 3 in the morning?

I was in one in Iowa but not a 3 in the morning unfortunately, I nearly calfed on it twas like eating pure sugar and salt.

It's not like we dont all sorts of bad mind rotting cereals or greasy food here mind it just seemed like they didnt even make an effort to pretend.

[Fragony]

Your denial of any Palestinian rights seems to rest on the idea that the Palestinian state does not exist. If the Palestinian state doesn't exist, then its jurisdiction cannot be abused by any and all Israeli encroachment. The problem is, Israeli mostly has a problem with Hamas, who are the governing power in Gaza, while they at least tacitly recognise the Fatah government enough to have held talks with them in the past. If your argument were valid, Israel should be building settlements in the Gaza strip, where Hamas are. With the Gaza strip and the West Bank separated as they are, and with Fatah not having control of the Gaza strip, how does Hamas's behaviour justify the annexation of the West Bank, as per the argument you are advancing?

Said Hamas & co, does it really makes such a difference if also kill eachother? Fatah that much, well.. different? Fatah is in charge where Hamas isn't

[Pannonian]

Said Hamas & co, does it really makes such a difference if also kill eachother? Fatah that much, well.. different? Fatah is in charge where Hamas isn't

I'm not sure what your argument is here, other than there is no difference between the Pallies, so punishing one group for the actions of the other is perfectly valid. The Palestinian pseudo-state, or to use your language the bit which isn't Israel, is split into two separate areas, the West Bank and the Gaza strip. Fatah, which AFAIK recognises the state of Israel, controls the West Bank. Hamas, which doesn't recognise the state of Israel, controls the Gaza strip. You've used Hamas as the argument for why the Palestinians deserve to have their land taken away. But Israel isn't taking land in the Gaza strip, but the West Bank. Your argument is that there is no difference between them, so punishing one for the actions of the other is perfectly legitimate.

[Fragony]

I'm not sure what your argument is here, other than there is no difference between the Pallies, so punishing one group for the actions of the other is perfectly valid. The Palestinian pseudo-state, or to use your language the bit which isn't Israel, is split into two separate areas, the West Bank and the Gaza strip. Fatah, which AFAIK recognises the state of Israel, controls the West Bank. Hamas, which doesn't recognise the state of Israel, controls the Gaza strip. You've used Hamas as the argument for why the Palestinians deserve to have their land taken away. But Israel isn't taking land in the Gaza strip, but the West Bank. Your argument is that there is no difference between them, so punishing one for the actions of the other is perfectly legitimate.

Nah, as my argument is that it is simply islam, and lefties who will adore anything islam because it's islam-related.

[rvg]

Nah, as my argument is that it is simply islam, and lefties who will adore anything islam because it's islam-related.

How do the lefties explain their adoration of islam? As a doctrine it is pretty far from the leftist ideals.

[Fragony]

How do the lefties explain their adoration of islam? As a doctrine it is pretty far from the leftist ideals.

Ask them, I really don't understand why lefties absolutely adore anything Islam.It's odd. But I have always been bad at leftiet logic , just don't see it

[Ronin]

How do the lefties explain their adoration of islam? As a doctrine it is pretty far from the leftist ideals.

it's because it's the "anti-US" position.
In Portugal I see it showing up a lot in the communist and left-bloc parties.

[Pannonian]

Nah, as my argument is that it is simply islam, and lefties who will adore anything islam because it's islam-related.

I can't say I like anything about modern Islam, so can you explain to me how my lack of appreciation of your and Israel's argument on this matter relates to my adoration of Islam?

[Fragony]

I can't say I like anything about modern Islam, so can you explain to me how my lack of appreciation of your and Israel's argument on this matter relates to my adoration of Islam?

Did I ever accuse you? You are reasonable, you have even made me reconsider some things in the past. Maybe our own semi-arab Hax can fill you in on the kind of people that I'm talking about now that he has met them, not so reasonable, we call it the leftist church with good reason. Rebels without a clue