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    So it looks like it could happen. Not immediately mind you but in the next few years. As the Ontario court of Appeal declared most anti-prostitution laws un-constitutional

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    Ontario’s highest court has legalized brothels in a sweeping decision that condemned current prostitution laws for adding to the hazards of a highly dangerous profession.

    The Ontario Court of Appeal allowed the Crown just one victory, ruling that communicating for the purposes of prostitution will remain illegal.

    The landmark decision is binding on Ontario courts and sets up a final showdown at the Supreme Court of Canada next fall or in early 2013.

    Ontario Attorney-General John Gerretsen said on Monday that he intends to discuss appealing the decision with his federal counterparts. “Our main concern is that people feel safe in their communities, feel safe in their homes, and this kind of issue may very well need legislative action,” he said.

    The five-judge appellate panel said unanimously that prostitutes may set up brothels and hire staff to protect them. They said that it is senseless to have a law that compels prostitutes to work in dangerous isolation, given that prostitution itself is legal.

    The judges also explicitly rejected a Crown argument that prostitutes make an informed decision to enter a dangerous trade, saying that prostitutes deserve as much protection as other citizens who work in “dangerous, but legal, enterprises.”

    However, the court majority – Mr. Justice David Doherty, Mr. Justice Marc Rosenberg and Madam Justice Kathryn Feldman – salvaged the communication provision on the basis that it has kept neighbourhoods free of organized crime, drugs, noise and unwanted solicitations.

    They played down arguments from prostitution activists that those it hurts most are marginalized street prostitutes who work in the shadows and must assess potential clients hastily.

    Mr. Justice James MacPherson and Madame Justice Eleanore Cronk took sharp issue with the majority on the point, arguing that the communication provision significantly worsens the plight of street prostitutes.

    “The violence faced by street prostitutes across Canada is, in a word, overwhelming,” they said. “One does not need to conjure up the face of Robert Pickton to know that this is true.”

    The brothel ruling takes effect in a year. However, as of April 25, prostitutes can engage bodyguards. The court remodelled the pimping provision to target only those who live off the avails of prostitution “in circumstances of exploitation.”

    The Sex Professionals of Canada immediately urged Ontario municipalities to begin discussing licensing provisions that will ensure health and safety of brothel workers and their clients.

    Municipalities are expected to create a patchwork of regulation. Many, such as Niagara Falls, already license body-rub parlours. About 40 workers are employed in the city’s four licensed parlours. Toronto has 25 body-rub parlours and 482 licensed workers.

    Eddie Francis, mayor of Windsor, Ont., said his planning staff are looking at zoning issues that isolate brothels from schools and family neighbourhoods without creating red-light districts.

    Meanwhile, police forces are split on the logic and propriety of continuing “sweeps” of body-rub parlours in search of prostitutes and their clients.

    “We stopped doing sweeps after the last decision and told our people that if there were problems, there are other laws they could use to deal with them,” said Toronto Police Service spokesman Mark Pugash. “We see little reason to change that.”

    However, York Regional Police Chief Eric Jolliffe said that his force “continues to be bound by the laws that exist today and our obligation is to uphold the law as it is now.”

    Prostitution activists hailed Monday’s decision as a historic victory.

    “Six out of six judges so far have concluded that the law does not work and is hurting people,” said York University law professor Alan Young, the lawyer for the women who launched the constitutional challenge.

    Valerie Scott, one of the litigants, said that prostitutes have a sense of belonging for the first time. “I feel like a debutante,” she said. “I feel like a citizen.”

    Ms. Scott said that brothels have always existed in the shadows. “There is a brothel on every block in every city, and there always has been,” she said.

    Nikki Thomas, executive director of SPOC, told reporters that prostitutes will be normal citizens who file income taxes, purchase investments and quietly go about their work. “We are not going to have fire and brimstone and sex workers raining down from the sky,” she said.

    The Court of Appeal noted on Monday that Parliament is not precluded from enacting new prostitution laws provided they do not heighten the danger to prostitutes.
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    Very interesting. I predict that the next acts played out will be the appeal made by the attorney general and the ensuing affirmation of the ruling, followed shortly by most Canadian municipalities doing their best to fight this through ridiculous zoning and ordinance laws, quite a bit of which will be litigated and overturned.

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    The only place this goes from the Court of Appeals is the Supreme Court of Canada. But were I the prohibition side I'd simple abandon Ontario and fight the battle in the other provinces. As if they loose in the Supreme Court it applies to the whole country. I doubt they will of course. Still I'd be surprised if the Supreme Court didn't up hold the ruling. If you can make a clear argument that any legislation violates the Constitutions charter of rights and freedoms, the courts will side with you. As Canadian courts take their role of upholding the Constitution VERY seriously. Look at gay marriage, used a violation of the charter argument. But this isn't as clear a case of discrimination. It's more about making a profession people are uncomfortable with hard to ply, rather than making some people second class citizens.
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    Legalized prostitution just means taxed prostitution, just being lenient is better. You are making things worse this way, legal prostitutes will always be more expensive than illegal ones, it will only lead to more abuse. It's all so simple, turn a blind eye when you can, and act if you must.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Legalized prostitution just means taxed prostitution, just being lenient is better. You are making things worse this way, legal prostitutes will always be more expensive than illegal ones, it will only lead to more abuse. It's all so simple, turn a blind eye when you can, and act if you must.
    Frags, are you really claiming that Prostitutes who work illegally are going to have things worse than an illegal one who might work for a pimp and would have no legal recourse if she were abused?
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    Abused is good, as long as it keeps prices down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    Frags, are you really claiming that Prostitutes who work illegally are going to have things worse than an illegal one who might work for a pimp and would have no legal recourse if she were abused?
    Legal ones will be better off, the illegal ones that WILL still exist so much worse, prices will just drop and the state can shrug it off pointing to a few words that only exist on paper

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    Has anyone thought of Germany?
    In brothels here the prostitutes usually rent a room and pay rent to the owner. That means no problems with so many employees and they take care of their own healthcare.
    As such they are self-employed and just rent their workshop from a brothel owner.
    Also don't forget demand, your average consumer may well be willing to pay a little more to go to a legal establishment because that way his own risks are far lower and he doesn't become a criminal himself.
    You still get the underground scene most likely but it's reduced because the legal business gobbles up a large chunk of the demand.
    Better to improve it for some than for noone?!


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