The continuation of my Israel experience thread

[Fragony]

Oh please, only overly zealous zionists (or, as I like to call them, OZZists) call people who disagree with Israeli actions anti-semites.

Nah. Where are all the muslims and gutmensch when it's not about Israel? Gutmensch absolutely adores Palestinians at least if they not be simply anti-semites, maybe they can explain it to me one day. Will always solemny declare he has always rejected all violene, but thing is they never do that; 'yes but' is really the highest you can reach for.

[Pannonian]

Nah. Where are all the muslims and gutmensch when it's not about Israel? Gutmensch absolutely adores Palestinians at least if they not be simply anti-semites, maybe they can explain it to me one day. Will always solemny declare he has always rejected all violene, but thing is they never do that; 'yes but' is really the highest you can reach for.

If by Gutmensch you mean those who disapprove of Israel's actions, I don't particularly like Palestine either. My preference would be to just fence the area off and leave them to deal with themselves however they like, with anyone from the EU who ventures into there stripped of their EU citizenship. If the people there aren't inclined to listen to us, I don't see why we should be saddled with their disaffection.

[Hooahguy]

So I called my mom and dad. My dad was in a meeting and has yet to call me back, though he didnt get really mad when he heard I wanted to come home. My mom asked me why I wanted to come home but I found it hard to explain why since I cant tell them that I do not want to be religious since they would probably disown me.

[rvg]

So I called my mom and dad. My dad was in a meeting and has yet to call me back, though he didnt get really mad when he heard I wanted to come home. My mom asked me why I wanted to come home but I found it hard to explain why since I cant tell them that I do not want to be religious since they would probably disown me.

Tell them that the people there weren't religious enough for your taste and you can not stand their impious behavior.

[Ironside]

So I called my mom and dad. My dad was in a meeting and has yet to call me back, though he didnt get really mad when he heard I wanted to come home. My mom asked me why I wanted to come home but I found it hard to explain why since I cant tell them that I do not want to be religious since they would probably disown me.

Charming. Well, your opposition is mainly on how they express themself if I got you correctly. You can be a religious Christian without being a steriotypical religous right-winger, so you can probably be a religious Jew without being a mosque burning, US hating bigot.

[Pannonian]

Charming. Well, your opposition is mainly on how they express themself if I got you correctly. You can be a religious Christian without being a steriotypical religous right-winger, so you can probably be a religious Jew without being a mosque burning, US hating bigot.

Simetrical, a former admin at TWC, is a strict Orthodox Jew in his personal ethics, but he's very liberal/libertarian in how he views others. In terms of how they carry themselves, I doubt many would be more strictly orthodox than him, but outward bigotry or anything other than tolerance is alien to him. All religious people should be like him.

[Hooahguy]

Charming. Well, your opposition is mainly on how they express themself if I got you correctly. You can be a religious Christian without being a steriotypical religous right-winger, so you can probably be a religious Jew without being a mosque burning, US hating bigot.

Well they are pretty good people. I mean, they dont hate the US, and they have no plans on moving to Israel anytime soon. Plus they are pretty tolerant- I even heard my dad say once that Israel should at least reduce the number of airstrikes on Gaza.

[Jolt]

I even heard my dad say once that Israel should at least reduce the number of airstrikes on Gaza.

What are your parents opinions on settlements (Arguably one of the continued and reiterated deepest violations of International Law in the 21th Century)?

[Hooahguy]

What are your parents opinions on settlements (Arguably one of the continued and reiterated deepest violations of International Law in the 21th Century)?

No idea, never mentioned it.

So I talked with my dad, and I told him everything. Then he said that he will think it over and talk to people where I am, and if he decides that it would be best to come home, then I will come home ASAP.

[Fragony]

If by Gutmensch you mean those who disapprove of Israel's actions, I don't particularly like Palestine either. My preference would be to just fence the area off and leave them to deal with themselves however they like, with anyone from the EU who ventures into there stripped of their EU citizenship. If the people there aren't inclined to listen to us, I don't see why we should be saddled with their disaffection.

Sounds fair enough. But I will remain suspicious of anyone who's superior morals are only triggered when it concerns Israel and who are united in silence when it's raining rockets. They can say it has nothing to do with Israel being a jewish state all they want, I don't believe them. 99.9999% of the world isn't Israel but gutmensch isn't interested in 99.9999% of the world

[Pannonian]

Sounds fair enough. But I will remain suspicious of anyone who's superior morals are only triggered when it concerns Israel and who are united in silence when it's raining rockets. They can say it has nothing to do with Israel being a jewish state all they want, I don't believe them. 99.9999% of the world isn't Israel but gutmensch isn't interested in 99.9999% of the world

What do you think of Palestinian violence against Israeli border settlements in the West Bank?

[Fragony]

What do you think of Palestinian violence against Israeli border settlements in the West Bank?

Don't start any wars and cry over territory if you lose. Would be one hell if a job if we did so here in Europe, or anywhere really. Of course a lot of these settlers are every bit as much scum mind you

[Pannonian]

Don't start any wars and cry over territory if you lose. Would be one hell if a job if we did so here in Europe, or anywhere really. Of course a lot of these settlers are every bit as much scum mind you

The encroachment isn't exactly the result of territorial adjustments following war though. Israel are AFAIK maintaining that they are at a state of peace with the Fatah regime at least, which is the governing power in the Palestinian West Bank, yet they are taking more and more land under Israeli power. Maybe Banquo and Redleg can correct me, but aren't the Palestinians thus entitled to any and all violent resistance within the area internationally recognised as the Palestinian West Bank?

[Fragony]

The encroachment isn't exactly the result of territorial adjustments following war though. Israel are AFAIK maintaining that they are at a state of peace with the Fatah regime at least, which is the governing power in the Palestinian West Bank, yet they are taking more and more land under Israeli power. Maybe Banquo and Redleg can correct me, but aren't the Palestinians thus entitled to any and all violent resistance within the area internationally recognised as the Palestinian West Bank?

Can answer that for you, not untill there is a Palestinian state, which Hamas & co don't even want in the first place as they would be the ones that are the target first. But anyway what good are laws really, if Hamas and western sympathisers had their way it would mean mass-murder. Like this it's occasionally someone getting hurt and mostly they are the scum of the earth. It doesn't get any better than that. Israel build a wall and it mostly works,