HAMELEONA & ASGAROTH'S WORKSHOP

[Asgaroth]

The fact is that numidian auxilia and numidian legionaires were in the Numidian army,they did existed. Light infantry and town militia were just here to for no reason.

I see your point, but i don't get why screw with the "H" in HRTW ;)

Because I like it and I want it that way ?... Eventhought ahowl 11 started this mod I told him and I will make it clear to all now:

I had the 95 % same idea for a mod as ahowl11 did, but he started it before me,so I joined his mod. I wish the game to be like this.

If anyone doesn't like the mod they can always step off from the mod because I am not pushing anyone against their will to do something.

Now : If you can hameleona,please, implement numidian units,that is the Numidian auxilia & the Numidian legionaires(as the vanilla ones can't stay like that because they look very inacurrate).For the light infyntry,you don't need to implement them if you don't want and the town militia were just subtitutes for the peasants.

So I give my final roaster for them,the skins and the models that will be used.


Desert infantry -vanilla-OK
Numidian javelinmen -laca-OK
Numdidan cavalry- laca-OK
Archers-vanilla-OK
Long shield cavalry-vanilla-OK
Numidian camel riders- laca-OK
Numidian imitation legionaires- laca-OK
Numidian auxilia - laca-OK
Numidian militia- laca-OK-They are instead of the peasants !
African Elephants- Vanilla- I will make them now. Can you add a tower with crew on them maybe-OK
Slingers-vanilla-OK

And hameleona,while searching the net for the units Numidia armies used I came across the Thracian Cohort that you mentioned some time ago for the Romans,so we will put them in also.

[Hamata]

delete nvm

[hameleona]

Desert infantry -vanilla-OK
Numidian javelinmen -laca-OK
Numdidan cavalry- laca-OK
Archers-vanilla-OK
Long shield cavalry-vanilla-OK
Numidian camel riders- laca-OK
Numidian imitation legionaires- laca-OK
Numidian auxilia - laca-OK
Numidian militia- laca-OK-They are instead of the peasants !
African Elephants- Vanilla- I will make them now. Can you add a tower with crew on them maybe-OK
Slingers-vanilla-OK

And hameleona,while searching the net for the units Numidia armies used I came across the Thracian Cohort that you mentioned some time ago for the Romans,so we will put them in also.

Just one thing. I think, that the tire 0 infantry unit (a.k.a. the replacement for the peasants) should be the numidean javeliner - they are natural in that stuff, same as the thracians. They are unique those two factions in the fact, that they had it natural, from the inside to... well hit and than run. :lol:
it's my last though.

In the same time i purpose to give them the light infantry (or the auxilia) after the marian reforms as tire 1 or 2 unit, to reflect the more... civilized way of warfare that they used.

So, how i see it they can be:

Tire 0 - Numidian levies (the vanilla javelinmen?)

Infantry:
Tire 1: Desert infantry
Tire 2: Desert infantry (exp 1), Numidian auxilia* (post-marian)
Tire 3: Numidian imitation legionaires (post-marian)

Cavalry:
Tire 1: Numdidan cavalry
Tire 2: Long shield cavalry
Tire 3: Numidian camel riders*
Tire 4: African Elephants

Ranged:
Tire 1: Slingers
Tire 2: Archers

* I red somewhere, that there was no camels in africa, till the Arab caliphate. Can't seem to find a real good proof for that, tho. Maybe we should check? I actually like the unit pretty much.

PS: I don't think that they should have more than 3 melee infantry units. Just don't fit well somehow for nomads.
PPS: Told ya, 'bout the thracian cohort :P

[Asgaroth]

Just one thing. I think, that the tire 0 infantry unit (a.k.a. the replacement for the peasants) should be the numidean javeliner - they are natural in that stuff, same as the thracians. They are unique those two factions in the fact, that they had it natural, from the inside to... well hit and than run. :lol:
it's my last though.

I agree,but :

Tire 0 - Numidian javelinmen

Infantry:
Tire 1: Desert infantry
Tire 2: Desert infantry (exp 1), Numidian auxilia* (post-marian)
Tire 3: Numidian imitation legionaires (post-marian)

Cavalry:
Tire 1: Numdidan cavalry
Tire 2: Long shield cavalry
Tire 3: Numidian camel riders*
Tire 4: African Elephants

Ranged:
Tire 1: Slingers
Tire 2: Archers

I still don't get why are you sticking to the word nomads.

I will make a search for them.

[Hamata]

most mods depict them as civilized tribesmen but with traditional armies but i cant be certan

[ahowl11]

The Numidians were a nomadic people around 280 BC. They were divided into two major tribes with many smaller ones inside of the major ones. They were mainly used as mercenaries during the Punic War and they helped Rome defeat Carthage. However with the defeat of Carthage, Numidia became united and had a little kingdom. They extended to the African coastline and I read somewhere that they had Royal Troops such as cavalry and infantry and that they also had many troops trained in a fashion similar to the Polybian Roman Armies. This is around 130 - 107 BC before the Marian Reforms as they fought Rome around this time in the Jugurthine War. I suggest if you have not already to look it up, it's a nice little war that Rome dealt with.

So basically the vanilla Roster is quite accurate but there can be some additions as well. I think the roster you have set up now is good, but maybe add in a Noble Cavalry unit? Long Shield cavalry is decent but it's just medium cav. I think Numidia should have a heavy cav unit in there somewhere.
Just my two cents