sorry, not trying to oversimplify, but a here's a question response to the original question:
why are the scots referred to as clannish?
Re: Why are the American civilizations seen as tribal?
sorry, not trying to oversimplify, but a here's a question response to the original question:
why are the scots referred to as clannish?
"The good man is the man who, no matter how morally unworthy he has been, is moving to become better."
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Re: Why are the American civilizations seen as tribal?
I think my post didn't appear so I will try again. I hope it does not result in a double post.Originally Posted by The Lurker Below
1: The word clan comes from Gaelic and so is associated with Scotland
2: Right up until early modern times clan loyalty was socially and politically very important in Scotland.
3: Even today many Scots feel a sense of pride in their clan. I have seen students in Scotland dressed for graduation wearing kilts with their clan tartan. Most preferred to wear trousers but some chose to proclaim their clan identity in this way.
4: People like to stereotype other people
5: Sometimes there might be an implied message in calling the Scottish clannish. I think the English used to think of the Scots as backward and calling them clannish implied they were socially on a tribal level. Later (19th century, I think) the English no longer thought of Scots as backward primitives but noble and romantic. Suddenly belonging to a Scottish clan was cool. I believe the system of clan tartans originated at that time.
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Re: Why are the American civilizations seen as tribal?
thank you Brandy Blue. there you go OP, take the post above and in # 2 - 5 replace all instances of scots with amer indians.
"The good man is the man who, no matter how morally unworthy he has been, is moving to become better."
John Dewey
Re: Why are the American civilizations seen as tribal?
Two thoughts of mine:
Tribal: I guess you would 16th century Sicily tribal, right?
I think that the Aztecs were very advanced i agriculture. Of course they lacked iron, the wheel and the horses. Getting this from from the Europeans and knowing that there was something interseting on the other side of the ocean would have made them developping quickly, i guess.
I also thing their society was very developed. These slavery thing and sacrificies should not be judged in a 21st century Christian light.
Re: Why are the American civilizations seen as tribal?
I'll call slavery the "lesser of two evils", and considering that most civilizations throughout history practiced it at one point, but human sacrifice? That is an isolated practice and altogether barbaric - it doesn't matter how intelligent they are, and being Christian has nothing to do with it.
Re: Why are the American civilizations seen as tribal?
abraham would like to have a word with you
also - what's up with cutting off parts of a babies wienie? sounds "altogether barbaric"
what won't people do in the name of religion.
"The good man is the man who, no matter how morally unworthy he has been, is moving to become better."
John Dewey
Re: Why are the American civilizations seen as tribal?
Mutilation and murder are two different things, buddy. We could argue about it all day, but since this particular conversation is steering wildly out of control and has zero to do with the topic, I'll just leave it at that.
BTW, I'm not Christian.
Re: Why are the American civilizations seen as tribal?
I could be wrong but I believe a lot of ancient societies practiced human sacrifice, however the Mexicans took it to a whole new level.
Re: Why are the American civilizations seen as tribal?
Most certainly a possibility. However, I'm more or less pointing out that while the rest of the world had moved on, the Aztecs were still doing it when the Spanish arrived. Slavery in Europe (on a equivalent scale) was probably last seen in the Roman era, and human sacrifice well before that.
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