Tracking the steady deletion of the Palestinians - will Greater Israel be achieved?

[Idaho]

Oh an Israel Palestine bunfight! How we love them. So when do we predict that Greater Israel will become a reality?

Palestinian Home Demolitions Increase

"Wood-fired barbecue was our speciality. Delicious," says Ramzi Kasiyah as he picks his way gingerly over a pile of rubble and twisted metal. Broken glass crackles under his feet."We had a beautiful terrace. Now I have nothing."

Up until a few weeks ago Ramzi was the proud owner of the Palestinian Al Mukhrur restaurant just outside Bethlehem in the occupied West Bank. Now he presides over what looks like a bomb site, a grey scar in a beautiful, small valley, still lush from the winter's rains. At the beginning of May, Israeli forces flattened the restaurant. Ramzi shows me a mobile phone video of huge yellow diggers smashing through the roof, as he and his staff looked on helplessly "12 years' work was gone in 5 minutes," he says.

His adjacent house where he lives with his wife and children is still standing. He says the Israelis told him they would be back to demolish that within the month.

[Greyblades]

His adjacent house where he lives with his wife and children is still standing. He says the Israelis told him they would be back to demolish that within the month.

Man, I know there is history but the Israeli's are being real dicks about this.

[lars573]

Greater Israel was achieved long ago. Even before I was born. Now it's just a matter of getting all PRC on the land they've conquered.

The European Union would seem to agree.

It issued a statement earlier this month, saying that Israel's settlement policies alongside the eviction of Palestinians was threatening "to make a two-state solution" impossible.

Well no ! It's like they don't realize that's the gods dammed point.

[lars573]

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[a completely inoffensive name]

I don't think the situation will change until the Israeli's get everything they want. The Palestinians have already fought in the public sphere with that flotilla and support from neighboring countries, and it ended up changing nothing because the US public loves Israel and the US is the superpower.

[Fragony]

Palestinians, who are that besides the second fattest people of the world with a swimming pool per person ratio that would shame the Gucci grannies in Florida. It kinda doesn't help if you got to kill them wherever you find them and that even a rock will cry out that there is a jew hiding behind it. Nice guys. If they would be capable of something the jews would already be dead. Bless the significant IQ gab between arabs and jews. They are just too stupid to do what they want to do.

[Hax]

Blame the IQ gap? Blame the Saudi government, blame Hosni Mubarak and Anwar Sadat, blame the corrupt Arab states for making deals with Israel while at the same time pretending to fight for the Palestinian cause. But don't blame the Arab peoples, they are one of the greatest victims of our time. Do you think these uprisings were coincidental?

If you want to know what's wrong​, read Ghassan Kanafani's "Men in the Sun".

[Fragony]

Blame the IQ gap? Blame the Saudi government, blame Hosni Mubarak and Anwar Sadat, blame the corrupt Arab states for making deals with Israel while at the same time pretending to fight for the Palestinian cause. But don't blame the Arab peoples, they are one of the greatest victims of our time. Do you think these uprisings were coincidental?

If you want to know what's wrong​, read Ghassan Kanafani's "Men in the Sun".

Poor guys. Always the same, get a burst of sudden jihad syndrome, get bombed -> 'I can has peace?'. Then they remember that they must kill them wherever they find them and they have a new burst of sudden jihad syndrome. They have nothing to blame but theirselves for being a pest.

[Hax]

Uhuh, because Kanafani was a jihadi.

He was a socialist-marxist, just for your information. Palestinian nationalism is not​ the same as jihadism.

[Fragony]

Uhuh, because Kanafani was a jihadi.

He was a socialist-marxist, just for your information. Palestinian nationalism is not​ the same as jihadism.

They don't WANT a state because they would become the subject of terrorism themselves. The problem is that they must kill them wherever they find them. Arabs will never accept a jewish state on what they see as their land no matter what. Build a wall and shoot back, it's as good as it gets.

[Hax]

The problem is that they must kill them wherever they find them

Nice, quoting Qur'an out of context. How about the greatest of Palestinian activists, Christian Edward Said? Doesn't really work on him, does it?

Arabs will never accept a jewish state on what they see as their land no matter what

Yeah, only they did.

[Fragony]

The context thing always makes laugh, the context of the qu'an is a relentless campaign of war and genocide

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The context thing always makes laugh, the context of the qu'an is a relentless campaign of war and genocide

That could be said to Bible as well...

[Fragony]

That could be said to Bible as well...

There is a difference, in the qu'ran it's an imperitive 'you must do this'. And yeah the bible sucks as well, but for any reasonable person the Qu'ran should suck bowlingballs through a straw as it sucks that badly.

[Hax]

Why don't you just get to the point and talk about Palestinian nationalism rather than just quoting the Qur'an to support your flimsy claim? Because to be fair, that's exactly the same tactic those ihadis are using.

[Fragony]

Why don't you just get to the point and talk about Palestinian nationalism rather than just quoting the Qur'an to support your flimsy claim? Because to be fair, that's exactly the same tactic those ihadis are using.

I already did, they don't want a state. For good reason, if they get the state they will be a target themselves. If Hamas is getting more moderate they will just open up a can of Islamic Jihad who are much much worse. Hamas or Fatah will be the target themselves, having a state is their doom so they will do everything they can to not let that happen. They may be crazy but not suicidal.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Blame the IQ gap? Blame the Saudi government, blame Hosni Mubarak and Anwar Sadat, blame the corrupt Arab states for making deals with Israel while at the same time pretending to fight for the Palestinian cause. But don't blame the Arab peoples, they are one of the greatest victims of our time. Do you think these uprisings were coincidental?

If you want to know what's wrong​, read Ghassan Kanafani's "Men in the Sun".

The government is a reflection of the people. Egypt held elections for President and the two front runners were Army-backed and Islamist-packed - the socialists and democrats barely got a look in. So lets stop pretending the Arab peoples are not partly to blame.

What's wrong is Israel has a larger technological and military base, and they hate the Arabs as much as the Arabs hate the Israelis. Neither will forgive the opther for any slight so the conflict will continue until their the scale are considered exactly balanced OR one side is destroyed.

Right now it looks like the Palastinians are done for, so you can expect calls from within Israel to cross the Jordan within our lifetimes because Idaho's map only represents about 25% of "Greater Israel".

[Skullheadhq]

Funny that those maps show deserts inhabited by no-one as Palestinian lands. Besides, the Palestinian people never existed, they are just arab nomads .

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Funny that those maps show deserts inhabited by no-one as Palestinian lands. Besides, the Palestinian people never existed, they are just arab nomads .

To your first point: They weren't always deserts.

To your second: Who was living in Jerusalem before Israel was created? Pixies?

[Skullheadhq]

To your first point: They weren't always deserts.

To your second: Who was living in Jerusalem before Israel was created? Pixies?

In 1948 the deserts were uninhabited.
In 1948 there lived 100.000 Jews, 40.000 muslims and 25.000 Christians in Jerusalem. The website might be biased, but sources for the numbers are given.

[Hax]

Ah, you mean when the Aliyahs had already happened?

Or did you honestly think Jewish immigration to what is now Israel was a post-1948 thing?

[Skullheadhq]

Ah, you mean when the Aliyahs had already happened?

The statistics show that muslims haven't been the majority as far as those statistics go back, that is 1844.

[Hax]

Wait. Muslims or Arabs​?

[Skullheadhq]

Wait. Muslims or Arabs​?

Muslims. The christian Arabs have been counted with the christians. However, not all christians are arabs. There are the Georgians and Greeks as well. Muslims would have Turks calculated in it as well. So no arab majority.

[Hax]

So what exactly are trying to argue here?

[Skullheadhq]

So what exactly are trying to argue here?

That arabs don't have the right to rule Palestine and Jerusalem since they were and are the minority. That the Jews have a better claim. That maps like in the OP are silly and are lies.

[Hax]

Well, it's not true.

Arabs formed a majority of over 80 percent back in 1931. Source: Cleveland, William L. A History of the Modern Middle-East. pp. 255


Are you really sure you want to continue arguing?

[Skullheadhq]

Well, it's not true.

Arabs formed a majority of over 80 percent back in 1931. Source: Cleveland, William L. A History of the Modern Middle-East. pp. 255


Are you really sure you want to continue arguing?

The Municipality of Jerusalem says something different.

[Fragony]

Well, it's not true.

Arabs formed a majority of over 80 percent back in 1931. Source: Cleveland, William L. A History of the Modern Middle-East. pp. 255


Are you really sure you want to continue arguing?

What he says is true Hax, most of what you calll palestinians are simply Jordanians.

[Hax]

That's totally okay, because I've heard nonsense from all kinds of people.

What he says is true Hax, most of what you calll palestinians are simply Jornanians.

Ah, and what do you think Jorn -- Jordan is?