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    Well it's more so "end it our way or not at all" because who in their right mind is going to pick Refuse? That's an even darker ending than what the original ending implied. If language rules here we much more relaxed i'd have a few names to call the bioware writers - but i suppose i'll have to settle for pretentious, after seeing Refuse. Goodness, what a laugh.
    So I couldn't keep my curiosity in check until my next chance to play the game, so I watched the endings on youtube. Bearing in mind that I'm not seeing any content from before-hand(understanding that apparently the additional stuff kicks in before cerberus mission), I'm finding it mostly reasonable. But then, I guess my expectations weren't through the roof or anything. But for the refuse ending, I absolutely lol'd. I thought it was hilarious, myself. Because, let's be honest, if we take the star kid at more or less face value, that's exactly what should happen if you decide to do that. That it serves as a middle finger to a batch of extremely vocal and irritating fans(looking at you, BSN. Good grief, their plot section had nothing but ending stuff for a solid 2 months) only served to add to my amusement.
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    One perfect ending. Even the darkest mythological stories had some of those. Odyssey springs to mind.
    Guess it was just too much in conflict with their artistic integrity.
    The thing is:

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    It's REALLY dumb to have the "breathe" bit, this isn't a horror film and Sheppard isn't the baddy, we're told there'll be no sequal. That sequence only makes sense if being REALLY UBER AWSOME results in a final scene which establishes Shepard is not only Alive but safe. At that point you can imagine that he/she will go off with his/her love interest and make babies. I mean, I don't need to see everything, but why have just that little tease there?

    I'm actually OK with Shepard dying, it sucks but it's not horrible - the problem is the choices you're given and the way they map onto Shepard character.

    1. Destroy: It's dumb that you have to shoot something for this one, btw, but this is the obvious choice for most Shepards. The Child is NOT a reliable source for Shepard, even if he plays it completely straight in reality Shepard has no reason to trust him. With that in mind, there's no reason for Shepard to believe the child when he says the Geth and "synthetics" will all be destroyed. What is a Synthetic, anyway? Are we talking a synthetic lifeform, or any sufficiently complex computer? Given that Synthesis implies a hard division, Destroy should operate on the same principle. Taken to its logical conclusion this implies ALL Tech, or it means all Reaper Tech, which potentially explains why Shepard lives but EDI and the Geth croak. Even so, this is the child (your enemy's) least favourite choice, so it should logically be your prefered one. There's also the little fact that DESTROYING the Reapers has been the point for the last three years of your life.

    2. Refusal: I suppose "we can't win but we'll die on our feet" makes a certain amount of sense as an ending. It's mostly the one you'll choose because Destroy will kill EDI and the Geth though - i.e. BIOWARE have given you no good choices.

    3. Control: Best presented Ending, "Shepard" is now the driving impetus behind the Reapers, but "His" apparent detachment and hsi references to the Many imply the danger of A.I. Rampency, which is probably what happened to the original Reaper A.I. (it is a built thing). Eventually "Shepard" will conclude that higher-level societies are building Synthetics that he keeps having to smack down, then he will destroy the Organics capable of building such Synthetics. The Cycle has only been delayed. This is also what the Illusive Man, one of your antagonists, has wanted all along. Bad idea, then.

    4. Synthesis: This is the Borg saying "become like us", as has been previously noted the visual effect sucks, but beside that it's a creepy Asimov-esque future that may or may not be your cup of Tea. The main problem with this ending is that there's no realy logical way to get from the Shepard who boards the Citidel to the one who decides this is a good idea based on the ramblings of a Rampant A.I. The reason the player will pick this is because they don't fancy "Control" for the reasons stated above and they don't want to kill EDI and the Geth.

    Conclusion: Destroy is the best and most logical option, it permenantly removes the Reaper threat. The only confounding factor is the fate of the Geth/EDI - while this confuses the issue for the player it is unlikely to actually confuse Shepard, partly because of what's at stake but also because Shepard has no reason to trust the Catalyst A.I.'s information. It's worth noting that many Shepards will choose to sacrifice the Geth to save the Quarians anyway (they may have to if they lack the prerequisites) and many "Paragon" Shepards will already have watched Mordin sacrifice himself and might legitimately decide that EDI would rather be destroyed than watch the Normandy Crew and Joker die.

    In other words, BIOWARE have achieved an Obsideon-level of Narrative Logic Fail.

    It's worth noting that one the company's founders went back to medicine while ME3 was in development. I'm inclined to think that the ending has been changed and the bits that point towards indoctrination or somesuch are the result of artefacts left behind from a different ending. It's also worth noting how many of the effects, including the light blossom from the Crucible, have changed - as well as the addition of the "jump out" scene with the fleet and the change with the Normandy crash.
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    Reading all the reviews Im still really annoyed that we get to choose the ending.

    It should have been like in ME2 where a variety of factors go into whether you succeed or not, and even if you do succeed, to what degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    Reading all the reviews Im still really annoyed that we get to choose the ending.

    It should have been like in ME2 where a variety of factors go into whether you succeed or not, and even if you do succeed, to what degree.
    I find it pointed that Malukah wrote this as a tribute:



    Kinda makes me feel Shepard would Reignite in EA's face.

    Choosing the ending would not be such a big deal if the actual choice you got was more than cosmetically affected by prior decisions.

    If it's all about how well you built the Crucible...
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    Holy hell that song is amazing.
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    While we're here, lets just reflect on the lack of KOTOR3

    By which I mean - I want to be playing with those guys, not following 30 years in their wake. I mean, have you seen SWOTOR's box art?
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    So, if one has not bought ME3 yet, would this expansion make it worthwhile? I held off originally because of everything I heard about the terrible ending.

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    So, if one has not bought ME3 yet, would this expansion make it worthwhile? I held off originally because of everything I heard about the terrible ending.

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    You should buy ME3. It's actually a really good game with a surprisingly-good multiplayer and a good storyline. Just be sure to turn the game off during the final stretch and make up your own ending.

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    The only thing that is holding me back from ME3 is the fact that I lost all my ME 1&2 savegames. For me its like Building the walls and the interior of a house, and then have it knocked down. And then being asked to build the roof.
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    Isn't there a website with a whole collection of save games to pick from?

    Edit: http://www.masseffect2saves.com/
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    Yeah but it doesnt feel personal.
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    If you couldn't be arsed to play through the first two again, clearly you don't see the series as being that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
    If you couldn't be arsed to play through the first two again, clearly you don't see the series as being that good.
    I had over 200 hours total on both games, and something like 10 different characters each with different motivations and backgrounds.

    By the 10th time replaying it was getting pretty stale. Still a great game, Im just jaded.
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    Played the first one four or five times myself (on 360, then PC), never felt the urge to replay the second (though I did quite enjoy my one playthrough) and doubt I'll ever play part 3.

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    For me at least the 2nd one was more replayable, just because the combat didnt suck if you were starting from scratch.
    The way I played was that I had 5 "courses," one paragon and one renegade for each "course." So I only had to start from scratch in terms of abilities and weapons for 5 times, while the other 5 times I could just load the matching character and I would have decent guns from the start.
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    *sigh* I've just played through the ending for myself and after actually being able to ask the optional questions to star child, which the videos on youtube seem to ignore, I'm... I dont know, now that I think about it, it's better, much better than the original one and I do feel more apreciatve, yet I still cant fully get over how this should have been in the game on release not DLC 5 months later. EA/Bioware's conduct hasnt exactly restored faith either. I'm bitter but somewhat contented is what I'm saying.
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    So, if one has not bought ME3 yet, would this expansion make it worthwhile? I held off originally because of everything I heard about the terrible ending.

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    I'd say it is, but you could probably hold out for a sale or something. The gameplay, imo, is the best of the series by a small landslide. The main downside, imo, is the on-the-rails plot. Like, even more than 2's was. The ending is what it is. If you feel strongly that it's about the journey, not the destination, it's definitely solid.
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    All right I finally managed to download and played the EC for myself, and aside from a few weird moments, it's a fitting end....at least after the original ending.
    Closure...kind of. I'll probably write a little story for myself, about how it really ends afterwards. The star child is certainly more bearable now. It appears he started all of this by screwing over his original creators, ala I, Robot. Makes it easier to choose destroy. As far as EDI and Geth are concerned, I think there's wiggle room there, just as there is for Shepard with high EMS.

    All in all, it could've been so much better had they simply gone with the Dark Energy thing, as it was supposed to be originally, but now I guess, this will do.

    I was going to uninstall the game, till I heard about the Leviathan.


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    Top Comment on Youtube regarding the Refusal Ending

    "Bioware's response to everyone wanting a "shoot the god child" ending.
    Damn..now that's some professional trolling."

    Couldn't agree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    So, if one has not bought ME3 yet, would this expansion make it worthwhile? I held off originally because of everything I heard about the terrible ending.

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    Going to be honest here: If you're going into this fresh without having seen the original endings? You'll probably be fine with the game in it's current form. That's just my opinion though.

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    In case you lot aren't following koobismo and his Maurauder Shields comics (I cannot fathom why you aren't) he posted a hilarious 20 minute 'radio show' celebrating the 1 million views of his comics.

    It's really worth listening to.


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    Woah. So apparently there's a new difficulty for MP, Platinum. Higher than gold. Tried it against Reapers, figuring I do pretty well against them with my Drell Adept. Wave 1, here come the Banshees and brutes. "Okay... so that's not totally unexpected," I thought, since gold starts them at 3. What I *didn't* expect was the Geth Hunters and Primes that came out of the woodworks starting in wave 3. We managed to make it to wave 5 before being utterly crushed. Apparently in the later waves, you get literally everything thrown at you. Utterly, utterly bonkers.
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    Phew... I'm barely competent enough to survive on Gold, I can't imagine something more difficult than that!

    Slow internet means any attempt to play ME3 multiplayer in earnest will have to wait till the end of the summer for me. By then it'll probably be waning in popularity...

    BTW khaan how are all the new classes? The newest ones I actually used were the Geth and Batarians... first DLC I think. Apparently they've been pumping out new classes like crazy.
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    I just started it up again for the first time in about two months. I've got all the characters from the first batch, but only the ex-cerberus vanguard so far from the most recent two dlc's. Wasn't super impressed, seemed like a less abusable human vanguard. Seen a bunch of people playing some of the new human folks, but I'm not really sure what they all do. Do want to try the infiltrator- it seems to be like Kasumi from ME2, with Shadow Strike and cloak as abilities. Guess for now I'll just keep rolling with my krogan vanguard, drell adept, and quarian engineer as my base classes.
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    I just started it up again for the first time in about two months. I've got all the characters from the first batch, but only the ex-cerberus vanguard so far from the most recent two dlc's. Wasn't super impressed, seemed like a less abusable human vanguard. Seen a bunch of people playing some of the new human folks, but I'm not really sure what they all do. Do want to try the infiltrator- it seems to be like Kasumi from ME2, with Shadow Strike and cloak as abilities. Guess for now I'll just keep rolling with my krogan vanguard, drell adept, and quarian engineer as my base classes.
    Most of them are melee focused or have gimmicky abilities. There's a few that have teleport, one hit kills (ala the phantoms) that can dance around the battlefield and rack up kills. So far I haven't seen anyone use them effectively and they have only reminded me of Krogan. Everyone loves them, few can play them effectively.

    I haven't gotten any of the N7 characters, but I'm starting to remember why i stopped playing Me3 multiplayer. It's fun as heck but SO GRINDY. If i could grind up some credits and then select which classes/weapons to buy that would be a different story, but the random element in unlocking has to be the most demoralizing thing in the entire system. Worse even than losing out against gold reapers on the last wave.

    The new N7 weapons are great though, provided you can get them. The Typhoon has got to be the single greatest invention in the history of the Mass Effect universe, an assault rifle with enough punch to turn gold reapers into finely ground powder with the right characters. I recommend Vorcha with your berserker buff upgraded for 15% increased damage. Come at me Harbinger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    The new N7 weapons are great though, provided you can get them. The Typhoon has got to be the single greatest invention in the history of the Mass Effect universe, an assault rifle with enough punch to turn gold reapers into finely ground powder with the right characters. I recommend Vorcha with your berserker buff upgraded for 15% increased damage. Come at me Harbinger.
    No typhoon, but I did find a Piranha assault shotgun. Very effective, but I'm having issues deciding between it and my beloved wraith. Piranha's got a big barrel clip and has an impressive fire rate, but I'm having a bit of trouble adjusting to the style after having used my wraith for so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Most of them are melee focused or have gimmicky abilities. There's a few that have teleport, one hit kills (ala the phantoms) that can dance around the battlefield and rack up kills. So far I haven't seen anyone use them effectively and they have only reminded me of Krogan. Everyone loves them, few can play them effectively.

    I haven't gotten any of the N7 characters, but I'm starting to remember why i stopped playing Me3 multiplayer. It's fun as heck but SO GRINDY. If i could grind up some credits and then select which classes/weapons to buy that would be a different story, but the random element in unlocking has to be the most demoralizing thing in the entire system. Worse even than losing out against gold reapers on the last wave.

    The new N7 weapons are great though, provided you can get them. The Typhoon has got to be the single greatest invention in the history of the Mass Effect universe, an assault rifle with enough punch to turn gold reapers into finely ground powder with the right characters. I recommend Vorcha with your berserker buff upgraded for 15% increased damage. Come at me Harbinger.
    After an incredible weapons-related premium spectre pack spree- black widow, Paladin, and typhoon, I can safely say the typhoon is absolutely as good as you said. Gave it a whirl with my turian soldier. Tried extended magazine + extended barrel at first, and still wasn't exactly happy with the results. Tried stability dampener + scope and suddenly it became ridiculously awesome at literally every range. Definitely worthy of ultra-rare status. Even at rank 1, it's definitely the best assault rifle I have now.
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    I just got the N7 Slayer from the victory pack - loads of fun, crazy dodge and melee stuff. Don't know how effective any of it really is, but it sure is fun to run around ... slaying people with a sword. All this sword stuff is making me wonder, though, whether the game is getting too "tech-ninja" lately. In single player, we've got Kai Lang. Then, in both multiplayer and single player, one of the more powerful enemies is the sword-wielding phantom. Now multiplayer has two additional tech-ninjas slashing people with swords - the N7 slayer and the N7 shadow.

    Yeah, I realize with the biotic powers and all, especially in the first game, this was never exactly supposed to be hard sci-fi. In my opinion, however, while the biotics stuff is silly, it fit the sci-fi feel of the game a lot better than the growing sword emphasis, which feels less futuristic and cool and more just weird and out of place.

    And I'm saying this as someone who is on a college fencing team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose View Post
    I just got the N7 Slayer from the victory pack - loads of fun, crazy dodge and melee stuff. Don't know how effective any of it really is, but it sure is fun to run around ... slaying people with a sword. All this sword stuff is making me wonder, though, whether the game is getting too "tech-ninja" lately. In single player, we've got Kai Lang. Then, in both multiplayer and single player, one of the more powerful enemies is the sword-wielding phantom. Now multiplayer has two additional tech-ninjas slashing people with swords - the N7 slayer and the N7 shadow.

    Yeah, I realize with the biotic powers and all, especially in the first game, this was never exactly supposed to be hard sci-fi. In my opinion, however, while the biotics stuff is silly, it fit the sci-fi feel of the game a lot better than the growing sword emphasis, which feels less futuristic and cool and more just weird and out of place.

    And I'm saying this as someone who is on a college fencing team.
    The slayer and shadow were, by the ME3 multiplayer team's own admission, based off of Kai Leng from the single-player game.. which is the root of the problem. Kai Leng is a ridiculous mary sue who, combined with the cerberus phantoms, are a type combat that just doesn't fit in the mass effect universe. It's hard to describe, but overall is just something that feels inherently off and out of place.

    Whenever you blend guns and swords you have to figure out a good balance between the two within the same universe. I think, unless you take the time to establish both as accepted means of combat, you get this weird disconnect that you see in ME3. We see almost no melee combat (outside of the berserker krogans) in ME1 and 2, and then suddenly in 3 we're confronted with sword swinging psychopaths. Husks and beastial enemies are one thing, but to introduce something so radically different as the Phantoms and their archetype sissy pants, Kai Leng, without ANY build.. it feels off. They feel like they were lifted directly from another genre and crudely dumped into ME as an after-thought when someone was trying to spice up the campaign's shooty sections.

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    Default Re: Mass Effect 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose View Post
    I just got the N7 Slayer from the victory pack - loads of fun, crazy dodge and melee stuff. Don't know how effective any of it really is, but it sure is fun to run around ... slaying people with a sword. All this sword stuff is making me wonder, though, whether the game is getting too "tech-ninja" lately. In single player, we've got Kai Lang. Then, in both multiplayer and single player, one of the more powerful enemies is the sword-wielding phantom. Now multiplayer has two additional tech-ninjas slashing people with swords - the N7 slayer and the N7 shadow.

    Yeah, I realize with the biotic powers and all, especially in the first game, this was never exactly supposed to be hard sci-fi. In my opinion, however, while the biotics stuff is silly, it fit the sci-fi feel of the game a lot better than the growing sword emphasis, which feels less futuristic and cool and more just weird and out of place.

    And I'm saying this as someone who is on a college fencing team.
    I don't really mind the sword thing so much. What does bother me is teleport-dodging. I'm not really sure what, if anything, is supposed to explain the ability to literally teleport. That feels way more out of place than some fancy sword play. I can sorta get the idea of swords working in Mass Effect in the sense of being an assassination method which wouldn't be affected by shields, which generally are supposed to guard against ballistics.
    It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.

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