With Great Sacrifice [Concluded]

[edse]

Are you intentionally trying to sentence yourself to death, seriously?

What was wrong with that?

Unvote:Vote:Montmorency

[LazyMcCrow]

Lynch em all and let Tlaloc sort them out.

Lazy, what's your opinion of Lewwyn and Dave?

I have already given my 'intuition' based opinion of Lewwyn's scumminess, and I bought the explanation at the time. Now I'm not so sure. GH seemed keen to vote Daveshack, - if Monty's 'reveal' is true then GH may have been fishing for another killer. Daveshack hasn't said much of note, but has consistently stayed on the right side of a WoKing - that is either because he is scum, or because he genuinely wishes to participate :) tbh - I find you more scummy than Daveshack right now, but that should come as no surprise

[LazyMcCrow]

What was wrong with that?

Unvote:Vote:Montmorency

So why do you think Monty is a preferable lynch to GH?

[edse]

So why do you think Monty is a preferable lynch to GH?

I've been voting for Monty for two days already...

Why are you others voting for him? Because a dead man told you to.

Not as much as me. I think the ghost is onto something.
UNVOTE: BSmith VOTE: Montmorency

What the hell. Let’s see where this goes. unvote; vote: Montmorency

Unvote; Vote: Monty

Let's see where this leads us.

[edse]

When I think about it...

Unvote: Vote: GeneralHankerchief

He's a killer, Montmorency might not be able to kill.

[LazyMcCrow]

I've been voting for Monty for two days already...

Why are you others voting for him? Because a dead man told you to.

And (thumbs back through thread) the only reason you've given for voting him up to now is because he was third on a joke bandwagon on D1 - is that the only thing that makes you more suspicious of Monty than GH?

[edse]

And (thumbs back through thread) the only reason you've given for voting him up to now is because he was third on a joke bandwagon on D1 - is that the only thing that makes you more suspicious of Monty than GH?

As I've been saying from the beginning, it's a scummy move to be third on a joke bandwagon AND say "look, I'm third on the bandwagon, I must be mafia, hehehe"

[LazyMcCrow]

As I've been saying from the beginning, it's a scummy move to be third on a joke bandwagon AND say "look, I'm third on the bandwagon, I must be mafia, hehehe"

edit: ahh you've updated your vote to GH.

[LazyMcCrow]

Happy birthday to the overseer, for he has approved what follows:

Alright, you scumbags. You think you can get me lynched on the sly? Not even the courtesy of a night-kill?

And don't think I'm not wise to you, GH. I wanted to have you killed N3, before my champion got himself lynched.

By the way: Mictlantecutl, I ordered the hit on you. You were acting a little Godlike.

I am Huitzilopochtli, god of war and the sun.

Csargo is Quetzlcoatl. Yaro is Mictlantecutl. Chaotix was my killer. I know that GH is a killer.

It seems in my "speculations" I hit too close to the truth, and you guessed my identity.




But cut the crap - you can't vote.

So here's the deal: everything you have heard thus far, from GH, Yaropolk, Csargo, myself, Chaotix, and one other among you, has been bullcrap.

I'm one of three gods here. We get a follower, and he kills for us. Csargo and Yaropolk were killed N2. I am the last god standing, but the other gods still have their killers in the field.

I am bound by the oaths of the wager against revealing our winning conditions. Suffice to say that we are working against each other, and the only way town can win is if we simultaneously kill each other. Town is not the driver here. Town is merely a backdrop to our activities. It's the flavor of the game.

If you don't lynch me now, I will be night-killed. All I want to do is take down GH. Whether he's Mict's or Quetzl's puppet, I don't care. I just want to take down one more of these guys.

It matters not. Third killer, I do not know you. But whoever is lynched here, make the appropriate kill. You've already won.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Are you Quetzl's, GH? That's what I would expect, on meta principles.

Vote: General Hankerchief

I agree that as a suspected killer GH has to be lynched. If Monty's story is true and Gods cannot gain a 'Godfather' kill then there should only be one Night kill after a lynching of GH - by the remaining Killer.
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

[edse]

I agree that as a suspected killer GH has to be lynched. If Monty's story is true and Gods cannot gain a 'Godfather' kill then there should only be one Night kill after a lynching of GH - by the remaining Killer.
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

You are, don't even try to defend yourself.

[BSmith]

I agree that the killer needs to be killed first. unvote; vote: GeneralHankerchief. If Monty is to be believed then he will likely be killed tonight by the third killer, leaving us to find the last killer the hard way.

[DaveShack]

Can't remember if I've voted, so play it safe Unvote.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief I was split between him and Lewwyn before, might as well carry through with that and see what happens.

[Csargo]

I agree that as a suspected killer GH has to be lynched. If Monty's story is true and Gods cannot gain a 'Godfather' kill then there should only be one Night kill after a lynching of GH - by the remaining Killer.
Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

Letting Monty live is a terrible idea, since he may be able to recruit another champion.

[BSmith]

If that is the case, wouldn't he have done that on N3 after Chaotix was lynched? Or if it is a day recruitment, it would be today. Either way we are already too late to prevent that. Better to kill the killer now and reduce the deaths tonight in my opinion, and run the risk of another recruitment, even though it is less likely.

[Csargo]

There won't be a tomorrow.

[seireikhaan]

Round over. Writeup will be posted in a bit.

[LazyMcCrow]

There won't be a tomorrow.

Because Monty will win as 'Last God Standing' if we don't lynch him today? Seems unlikely. However it also seems unlikely that two Gods would be killed by the end of N2 so you may be right. Ah well. Try and elaborate if you can though - that'd be nice :)

[BSmith]

Well then the game is already lost for me then what do I care? The way it looks right now is that we are being played by opposing gods with no real way to win, so what does it matter what I do? Tell me how the town gets a win out of this and maybe I’ll listen.

If we lynch GH today (and he is indeed one of the two killers remaining), then that leaves Monty and the other killer. The other killer kills Monty tonight, leaving one killer remaining for us to work out. Hardly the end of the game for us.

Now if you are telling me that not lynching Monty today will mean that he wins, then the only way I see that happening is that Monty’s killer is still alive and he is lying to us about that part. Lynching GH today would then leave the two of them untouched and possibly trigger their win condition.

This is what it is, isn’t it?

EDIT: Double x-post. Well the day is over, so what will be will be.

[Csargo]

Because Monty will win as 'Last God Standing' if we don't lynch him today? Seems unlikely. However it also seems unlikely that two Gods would be killed by the end of N2 so you may be right. Ah well. Try and elaborate if you can though - that'd be nice :)

I don't think I was supposed to say that. Breaking rules and whatnot.

[Csargo]

Well then the game is already lost for me then what do I care? The way it looks right now is that we are being played by opposing gods with no real way to win, so what does it matter what I do? Tell me how the town gets a win out of this and maybe I’ll listen.

If we lynch GH today (and he is indeed one of the two killers remaining), then that leaves Monty and the other killer. The other killer kills Monty tonight, leaving one killer remaining for us to work out. Hardly the end of the game for us.

Now if you are telling me that not lynching Monty today will mean that he wins, then the only way I see that happening is that Monty’s killer is still alive and he is lying to us about that part. Lynching GH today would then leave the two of them untouched and possibly trigger their win condition.

This is what it is, isn’t it?

EDIT: Double x-post. Well the day is over, so what will be will be.

You win by default if you're alive basically.

[GeneralHankerchief]

This is absolutely ridiculous and I'm so glad that I got railroaded while I was asleep and didn't even have the chance to defend myself.

Seriously guys, this was the easiest thing in the world to make up a story to get out of a lynch. Which two people had the most unusual deaths? Csar and Yaro. What's a good way to deflect pressure? Lump yourself in with them, without proof, and invent a story saying you can't kill, thereby absolving you of all sins. Absolutely convenient. What a crock. If I had known you guys were going to fall for this hook, line, and sinker, I would have taken him more seriously last night. Lynch him with extreme prejudice tomorrow.

[LazyMcCrow]

Now I just feel stupid ...again.

[Chaotix]

This is absolutely ridiculous and I'm so glad that I got railroaded while I was asleep and didn't even have the chance to defend myself.

Seriously guys, this was the easiest thing in the world to make up a story to get out of a lynch. Which two people had the most unusual deaths? Csar and Yaro. What's a good way to deflect pressure? Lump yourself in with them, without proof, and invent a story saying you can't kill, thereby absolving you of all sins. Absolutely convenient. What a crock. If I had known you guys were going to fall for this hook, line, and sinker, I would have taken him more seriously last night. Lynch him with extreme prejudice tomorrow.

Bahahaha...

If you're not actually a champion that makes this pretty funny, GH.

[BSmith]

I'm going to withhold feelings of stupidity until we see what happens tonight.

[Montmorency]

Re: Monty's reveal above. It all seems so definite - and frankly believable - apart from (and this has already been pointed out - by Ishmael? I can't remember) the emboldened line above. So~: Naturally, the Gods can't reveal their win conditions, but I feel fairly certain that Monty is BSing about town's victory conditions. What do others think on this subject? And assuming this story is for the most part true - who is the remaining killer?

I don't know the town's VC, or whether there really is one. I was just inferring based on what I do know; it was the only way I could think of.

You win by default if you're alive basically.

is certainly another possibility.

But sure, I can't actually be certain GH is a killer. If he isn't. he must be a "special" townie like Ishmael. Let's see the result.



For the record, I can not recruit another hero.

[Ishmael]

For the record, I can not recruit another hero.

Forgive us for taking your words with a grain of salt Montmorency .

Personally, I'm positive. I think the town is well on the way to catching all the mafia and avenging our beloved High Priest. (Cue 'Total Mafia Victory' tomorrow)

[GeneralHankerchief]

But sure, I can't actually be certain GH is a killer.

Oh gee, thanks for telling everybody that now.

[Montmorency]

Forgive us for taking your words with a grain of salt Montmorency

Alright, I admit it. All of that was made up.

I actually control both killers and I can recruit to replace the one you lynched, tonight. Now that you've wasted this round - and tomorrow you'll have to lynch me - my scums are unstoppable, as there are no longer enough of you to lynch them. Csargo and Yaropolk were your only hopes, but I chose to investigate N1 instead of killing;

On the other hand, everything in my reveal might just be the truth.

[seireikhaan]

Of course, the Emperor was right, in a way. We still had the task set before us. The time for grief would be later. After the initial shock wore off, those gathered gave their most vigorous examination yet. It began more or less as a standard procedure. But before long, increasingly grand proclamations were made. One even claimed to be Huitzilopochtli himself! What madness? I began to wonder if the task was too much for much for this group of men. But before I could think to make any protestation, the scout returned from his watch to inform us the day was finished. The emperor stood up, with a somewhat disturbing grin on his face. "Well, my men! What have we? Which of you will you hand over to me today?" The group, so much smaller than when we started, looked around at each other for a moment before pointing at the prestigious General Hankerchief, victor in the war against Tlaxcala. I suppose that this made some sense. Even though we failed to annex the city proper, the General brought a large amount of territory under our own control.

He, however, disagreed. Even though he voluntarily walked up to the altar, he berated the rest. While he laid down on the altar, he laughed at their ignorance, claiming the whole effort was doomed folly. His voice was finally silenced as the Emperor, acting in place of Tlacalael, thrust the knife into his chest. Unfortunately, the Emperor was not nearly as proficient in the act as Tlacalael. It took nearly a full minute of slicing and hacking and pulling apart ribs before the Emperor found the heart, now still from being pulled from a deceased host. He held it aloft for a short while before setting it down next to the General. "Excellent work!" The Emperor congratulated them. "Well done! I'm sure the gods noticed our efforts today! Rain will be here before we know it!" I couldn't help but feel uneasy as I headed back to my quarter for the night.


IT IS NOW NIGHT FOUR. PLEASE SEND ORDERS.

GH- 6 (Edse, Bsmith, Daveshack, Montmorency, Visorslash, Lazy)

Montmorency- 2 (GH, Lewwyn)


Alive:

Bsmith
Daveshack
Edse
Fluffy
Landlubber
Lazy McCrow
Lewwyn
Montmorency
Visorslash
White eyes
Zack

Lynched:

Atheotes (D1)
SalmonSoil (D2)
Chaotix (D3)
GeneralHankerchief (D4)

Attacked:

Seon (N2)
Yaropolk (N2)
Csargo (N2)
Jarema (N3)
Ishmael (N3)

[Ishmael]

Alright, I admit it. All of that was made up.

I actually control both killers and I can recruit to replace the one you lynched, tonight. Now that you've wasted this round - and tomorrow you'll have to lynch me - my scums are unstoppable, as there are no longer enough of you to lynch them. Csargo and Yaropolk were your only hopes, but I chose to investigate N1 instead of killing;

On the other hand, everything in my reveal might just be the truth.

False dichotomy, much?