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Originally Posted by Hooahguy:
Executions in this game are flawed. If a vassal revolts, and you win and imprison him, there should be no penalty for executing him, if you choose to.
In fact, there needs to be a "fear" bonus for your vassals. If I was a vassal and my liege executed another vassal for treason, Id think twice before revolting. In my current game with Scotland, my half brother and one of my vassals revolted. I defeated them and put them in jail. I wanted their land so I could give it to my more loyal vassals, so I executed them both. Banished the other one (my brother). I got huge penalties and the tyrant trait. Seriously?
Now, if you needlessly execute people then yes, you should get penalties, and the more you execute the more severe the penalties should be.
But there should be no penalties for executing traitors.
I hope this is changed in the next patch.
Feudalism didn't work that way, and the fact that there are penalties represents in a very abstract and simple way how vassals reacted to unlawful displays of their liege's power. The time period covered by Crusader Kings was one where the idea of rightful rule by laws and lineage was pretty much all that any one cared about in the christian world. Ignoring that and murdering someone for their title and their land should have huge repercussions for whoever did that because you're essentially acting completely out of the societal norm set by both man AND God. Executions in this game are flawed. If a vassal revolts, and you win and imprison him, there should be no penalty for executing him, if you choose to.
In fact, there needs to be a "fear" bonus for your vassals. If I was a vassal and my liege executed another vassal for treason, Id think twice before revolting. In my current game with Scotland, my half brother and one of my vassals revolted. I defeated them and put them in jail. I wanted their land so I could give it to my more loyal vassals, so I executed them both. Banished the other one (my brother). I got huge penalties and the tyrant trait. Seriously?
Now, if you needlessly execute people then yes, you should get penalties, and the more you execute the more severe the penalties should be.
But there should be no penalties for executing traitors.
I hope this is changed in the next patch.
When you defeat a rebelling vassal you are allowed to revoke a single title from them (provided your laws permit you to do so) without penalties. Any more than that and your vassals will start to think you aren't respecting the social order of things. From their point of view, the rebel is locked up and isn't hurting anyone, why on earth would you need to take MORE of his titles? It makes them feel nervous, like they could be next, and the game represents this by the tyrany level. It's perfectly fine and keeps you from doing gamey things like trying to hold every county in your kingdom as part of your personal demesne (even though its still kinda possible). If anything, there should be more penalties than there already are to keep a liege from going crazy executing people for no reason - but for an easy to play game like CK2 it's fine as it is.
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Banished the other one (my brother). I got huge penalties and the tyrant trait. Seriously?
Yes seriously. Like i said, if you disrespect the social code of conduct your vassals will feel VERY uneasy about their positions beneath you.Banished the other one (my brother). I got huge penalties and the tyrant trait. Seriously?
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But there should be no penalties for executing traitors.
There's no penalty if they die while in your dungeon of natural causes.But there should be no penalties for executing traitors.
$10 to play as Islam, when I already could free? Bog off.
Originally Posted by Monk:
Feudalism didn't work that way, and the fact that there are penalties represents in a very abstract and simple way how vassals reacted to unlawful displays of their liege's power. The time period covered by Crusader Kings was one where the idea of rightful rule by laws and lineage was pretty much all that any one cared about in the christian world. Ignoring that and murdering someone for their title and their land should have huge repercussions for whoever did that because you're essentially acting completely out of the societal norm set by both man AND God.
Theres a difference between executing a lord because he insulted your mother and executing a lord because he tried to overthrow you. Hardly unlawful to get rid of a guy who a few weeks before tried to kill/imprison you for whatever reason.Feudalism didn't work that way, and the fact that there are penalties represents in a very abstract and simple way how vassals reacted to unlawful displays of their liege's power. The time period covered by Crusader Kings was one where the idea of rightful rule by laws and lineage was pretty much all that any one cared about in the christian world. Ignoring that and murdering someone for their title and their land should have huge repercussions for whoever did that because you're essentially acting completely out of the societal norm set by both man AND God.
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When you defeat a rebelling vassal you are allowed to revoke a single title from them (provided your laws permit you to do so) without penalties. Any more than that and your vassals will start to think you aren't respecting the social order of things. From their point of view, the rebel is locked up and isn't hurting anyone, why on earth would you need to take MORE of his titles? It makes them feel nervous, like they could be next, and the game represents this by the tyrany level. It's perfectly fine and keeps you from doing gamey things like trying to hold every county in your kingdom as part of your personal demesne (even though its still kinda possible). If anything, there should be more penalties than there already are to keep a liege from going crazy executing people for no reason - but for an easy to play game like CK2 it's fine as it is.
As it stands the only way to keep your vassals in line is to butter them up. There needs to be some sort of fear system in place. When you defeat a rebelling vassal you are allowed to revoke a single title from them (provided your laws permit you to do so) without penalties. Any more than that and your vassals will start to think you aren't respecting the social order of things. From their point of view, the rebel is locked up and isn't hurting anyone, why on earth would you need to take MORE of his titles? It makes them feel nervous, like they could be next, and the game represents this by the tyrany level. It's perfectly fine and keeps you from doing gamey things like trying to hold every county in your kingdom as part of your personal demesne (even though its still kinda possible). If anything, there should be more penalties than there already are to keep a liege from going crazy executing people for no reason - but for an easy to play game like CK2 it's fine as it is.
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Yes seriously. Like i said, if you disrespect the social code of conduct your vassals will feel VERY uneasy about their positions beneath you.
Again, you are ignoring that one of my vassals just rebelled against me They should know that I am their king and I will not tolerate traitors. If they are so uneasy about staying in line then Ive got bigger problems. Yes seriously. Like i said, if you disrespect the social code of conduct your vassals will feel VERY uneasy about their positions beneath you.
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There's no penalty if they die while in your dungeon of natural causes.
Yeah, but that can take decades and they still wield some influence. There's no penalty if they die while in your dungeon of natural causes.
Again, what Im mainly pressing here is some sort of system where executing a traitor isnt punished, or not nearly as much, as they currently are.
Originally Posted by Psychonaut:
$10 to play as Islam, when I already could free? Bog off.
You do know that islamic rulers were in no way, shape or form different from christians, right?$10 to play as Islam, when I already could free? Bog off.
I don't think that throwing a rebellious vassal into shackles and executing him was ever something that was frowned upon in medieval times. Little bit of flogging and four-horse-stretching-exercise was always good for general moral, eh?
On the topic of fear, yes, fear should be a major factor in the game.
On the topic of fear, yes, fear should be a major factor in the game.
i agree about fear, but nobles of a rulers own realm were barely ever executed. If a noble was executed it was usually a foreigner (though usually pow were ransomed i think) or the tudors were in charge. ofcourse peasants were executed all the time.
I haven't ran numbers, but I recall a lot of history lessons with brothers, cousins and other potential throne pretenders losing their heads without even as much as lifting a finger to start a rebellion. On the other side, the foreign nobles were almost always ransomed, or would usually die forgotten in some dungeon if not enough money was raised.
Good lord trying to rebalance the game post 1.06 has been a nightmare. Think i finally hit a good mark though, once i get the next version of my mod out i'm through messing with balance. So tedious.
Played some as Sevilla and love the new changes. Muslim rulers feel like a completely different game now with the numerous traits, event lines and reworked CBs for them. Piety is pretty much the only stat that matters for them, way more than prestige, its an interesting kind of gameplay. I also love how the hajj event line is essentially a personal adventure for your character. Really fun way to build your ruler and affect him in ways outside of his education.
Decadence is also a pretty fun mechanic, but it's easy to manage as a small dynasty. I'd imagine if i were playing as the Fatimids it'd be much harder, but on as one of the Iberian dynasties it's easy to keep low - and the benefits of doing so are incredibly powerful. Bonuses to both demesne income and morale? I don't think it's overpowered as even with all the bonuses I struggled against numerically superior foes.
The only bad about the changes is how crazy powerful muslims in Iberia are now. They were strong before but the patch didn't even attempt to buff the Jimena brothers, in fact it actually nerfed them a bit. Each of the three northern kingdoms lost de jure territories in the south that they could have used for early expansion.
In my mod I've significantly boosted their starting strength to a point where it makes sense but I'm really surprised Paradox didn't just do this themselves.
Played some as Sevilla and love the new changes. Muslim rulers feel like a completely different game now with the numerous traits, event lines and reworked CBs for them. Piety is pretty much the only stat that matters for them, way more than prestige, its an interesting kind of gameplay. I also love how the hajj event line is essentially a personal adventure for your character. Really fun way to build your ruler and affect him in ways outside of his education.
Decadence is also a pretty fun mechanic, but it's easy to manage as a small dynasty. I'd imagine if i were playing as the Fatimids it'd be much harder, but on as one of the Iberian dynasties it's easy to keep low - and the benefits of doing so are incredibly powerful. Bonuses to both demesne income and morale? I don't think it's overpowered as even with all the bonuses I struggled against numerically superior foes.
The only bad about the changes is how crazy powerful muslims in Iberia are now. They were strong before but the patch didn't even attempt to buff the Jimena brothers, in fact it actually nerfed them a bit. Each of the three northern kingdoms lost de jure territories in the south that they could have used for early expansion.
In my mod I've significantly boosted their starting strength to a point where it makes sense but I'm really surprised Paradox didn't just do this themselves.Originally Posted by Monk:
Good lord trying to rebalance the game post 1.06 has been a nightmare. Think i finally hit a good mark though, once i get the next version of my mod out i'm through messing with balance. So tedious.
Played some as Sevilla and love the new changes. Muslim rulers feel like a completely different game now with the numerous traits, event lines and reworked CBs for them. Piety is pretty much the only stat that matters for them, way more than prestige, its an interesting kind of gameplay. I also love how the hajj event line is essentially a personal adventure for your character. Really fun way to build your ruler and affect him in ways outside of his education.
Decadence is also a pretty fun mechanic, but it's easy to manage as a small dynasty. I'd imagine if i were playing as the Fatimids it'd be much harder, but on as one of the Iberian dynasties it's easy to keep low - and the benefits of doing so are incredibly powerful. Bonuses to both demesne income and morale? I don't think it's overpowered as even with all the bonuses I struggled against numerically superior foes.
The only bad about the changes is how crazy powerful muslims in Iberia are now. They were strong before but the patch didn't even attempt to buff the Jimena brothers, in fact it actually nerfed them a bit. Each of the three northern kingdoms lost de jure territories in the south that they could have used for early expansion. In my mod I've significantly boosted their starting strength to a point where it makes sense but I'm really surprised Paradox didn't just do this themselves.
Been playing as Granada myself.Good lord trying to rebalance the game post 1.06 has been a nightmare. Think i finally hit a good mark though, once i get the next version of my mod out i'm through messing with balance. So tedious.
Played some as Sevilla and love the new changes. Muslim rulers feel like a completely different game now with the numerous traits, event lines and reworked CBs for them. Piety is pretty much the only stat that matters for them, way more than prestige, its an interesting kind of gameplay. I also love how the hajj event line is essentially a personal adventure for your character. Really fun way to build your ruler and affect him in ways outside of his education.
Decadence is also a pretty fun mechanic, but it's easy to manage as a small dynasty. I'd imagine if i were playing as the Fatimids it'd be much harder, but on as one of the Iberian dynasties it's easy to keep low - and the benefits of doing so are incredibly powerful. Bonuses to both demesne income and morale? I don't think it's overpowered as even with all the bonuses I struggled against numerically superior foes.
The only bad about the changes is how crazy powerful muslims in Iberia are now. They were strong before but the patch didn't even attempt to buff the Jimena brothers, in fact it actually nerfed them a bit. Each of the three northern kingdoms lost de jure territories in the south that they could have used for early expansion.
In my mod I've significantly boosted their starting strength to a point where it makes sense but I'm really surprised Paradox didn't just do this themselves.Was doing well for myself until the Pope decided to drop a Crusade on me in 1090 (!!!). Very strange and annoying because, you know, Jerusalem is sitting pretty in Fatimid hands. I am vastly outnumbered, but because of the large counties and heavy movement cost in Iberia, I'm able to take back my counties right after they move to a new one (they sit in the same county till they can take all 4 or 5 holdings). Four wives at once means I was able to bring in three other Emirs on my ruler's alliances alone; the rest don't seem incredibly willing to help, though.
As far as the Jimenas - in my game Castille is actually the strongest state in Iberia right now, as of before even the crusade and due to no effort on my part. The Emirate of Valencia took over Barcelona, but then got swamped by Castille and France on both sides, and Castille took a large chunk of their land in central Iberia. He also took a few holdings each from his brothers, from the looks of it, although Galicia was holding strong as well. The balance of power between myself and the other three Emirates (I kicked out Mallorca and took two provinces from Sevilla but left the two northern ones untouched) is such that we would have to get two of us to take on Castille; alone I would be too far outnumbered.
In my game, the christians were dead or near-dead in 1100. Valencia, Seville and Bajadoz all went to war against the christians. While it was good for me(I'm playing mallorca), it's kinda boring to just take on 2 big blobs. I think I should try out Monks tweak mod.
Originally Posted by Chaotix:
Been playing as Granada myself.
Was doing well for myself until the Pope decided to drop a Crusade on me in 1090 (!!!). Very strange and annoying because, you know, Jerusalem is sitting pretty in Fatimid hands. I am vastly outnumbered, but because of the large counties and heavy movement cost in Iberia, I'm able to take back my counties right after they move to a new one (they sit in the same county till they can take all 4 or 5 holdings). Four wives at once means I was able to bring in three other Emirs on my ruler's alliances alone; the rest don't seem incredibly willing to help, though.
As far as the Jimenas - in my game Castille is actually the strongest state in Iberia right now, as of before even the crusade and due to no effort on my part. The Emirate of Valencia took over Barcelona, but then got swamped by Castille and France on both sides, and Castille took a large chunk of their land in central Iberia. He also took a few holdings each from his brothers, from the looks of it, although Galicia was holding strong as well. The balance of power between myself and the other three Emirates (I kicked out Mallorca and took two provinces from Sevilla but left the two northern ones untouched) is such that we would have to get two of us to take on Castille; alone I would be too far outnumbered.
Interesting, that's a polar opposite of every observe game i've run. This game can be so wacky. Been playing as Granada myself.
Was doing well for myself until the Pope decided to drop a Crusade on me in 1090 (!!!). Very strange and annoying because, you know, Jerusalem is sitting pretty in Fatimid hands. I am vastly outnumbered, but because of the large counties and heavy movement cost in Iberia, I'm able to take back my counties right after they move to a new one (they sit in the same county till they can take all 4 or 5 holdings). Four wives at once means I was able to bring in three other Emirs on my ruler's alliances alone; the rest don't seem incredibly willing to help, though.
As far as the Jimenas - in my game Castille is actually the strongest state in Iberia right now, as of before even the crusade and due to no effort on my part. The Emirate of Valencia took over Barcelona, but then got swamped by Castille and France on both sides, and Castille took a large chunk of their land in central Iberia. He also took a few holdings each from his brothers, from the looks of it, although Galicia was holding strong as well. The balance of power between myself and the other three Emirates (I kicked out Mallorca and took two provinces from Sevilla but left the two northern ones untouched) is such that we would have to get two of us to take on Castille; alone I would be too far outnumbered.
In every test game I ran the poor Jimenas got rocked. 8 out of 10 times they were dead before 1100, the last two times they were still alive but clinging to only a single holding. From my observations unless the AI unites itself ASAP in Iberia, the northern kingdoms are doomed. Most of their problems come from them wanting to holy war as soon as the game starts. If they choose to press their claims instead, they usually do well, but are still heavily outnumbered when facing the southern powers. I've been trying really hard to equalize the balance of power so that Iberia is more of a 50/50 flip from game to game. Right now I think i've got a 60/40.
In my last test game as Sevilla, Castile united Leon and Navarra beneath its banner and together in an alliance with Galicia invaded Badajoz. Unfortunately for them i had just absorbed Granada and jumped in to defend. Huge battle (that could have gone either way) ended in my favor and I crushed the northern alliance. Afterward, the Fatimids called a Jihad for Galicia and.. well, that was how that test game ended.
Locked down struggling against the might of the Caliph the north was severely weakened. Galicia fell, which opened the way for my eventual conquest once I formed Andalusia.
Update on my Scotland game:
After making sure Scotland proper was settled down, I began expanding into Ireland. Slowly but surely I conquered. A crusade just ended so the Irishmen could only field around 200 men each so conquest was a breeze after I obtained CBs.
My wife died a decade ago so I married the female ruler of the Duchy of Meath, which contained 5 counties.
She had two kids and a husband. Killed the husband, but then she immediately remarried, and got preggers with the new husband. Killed the new husband, then we got married. I then killed her two kids, and when the kid she had with her dead 2nd husband was born, I killed him too. Then we had a daughter.
But before I could kill my wife so I would inherit the Duchy of Meath, I died.
So I (in the reincarnated form of my heir) killed my dads wife, but I didnt inherit her lands. So I had to conquer Meath as well.
And then I married the heir of Norway, but then the King of Norway chose a different person to be his heir so now Im just married to a princess of Norway. Well, time to kill the Norwegian heir.
Anyways, Im now the ruler of Scotland and Ireland. My vassals are mostly happy, and peace reigns, as I look towards England...
After making sure Scotland proper was settled down, I began expanding into Ireland. Slowly but surely I conquered. A crusade just ended so the Irishmen could only field around 200 men each so conquest was a breeze after I obtained CBs.
My wife died a decade ago so I married the female ruler of the Duchy of Meath, which contained 5 counties.
She had two kids and a husband. Killed the husband, but then she immediately remarried, and got preggers with the new husband. Killed the new husband, then we got married. I then killed her two kids, and when the kid she had with her dead 2nd husband was born, I killed him too. Then we had a daughter.
But before I could kill my wife so I would inherit the Duchy of Meath, I died.
So I (in the reincarnated form of my heir) killed my dads wife, but I didnt inherit her lands. So I had to conquer Meath as well.
And then I married the heir of Norway, but then the King of Norway chose a different person to be his heir so now Im just married to a princess of Norway. Well, time to kill the Norwegian heir.
Anyways, Im now the ruler of Scotland and Ireland. My vassals are mostly happy, and peace reigns, as I look towards England...
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Welp. Manzikert happened, just not how you'd expect...
15 year Jihad ends in victory for the attackers. The Seljuks collapse in a decadence related invasion of nomads, Byzantine empire falls into civil war in the aftermath. I swear to god I had nothing to do with this (okay maybe a little, but not in the ways you'd expect! )
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15 year Jihad ends in victory for the attackers. The Seljuks collapse in a decadence related invasion of nomads, Byzantine empire falls into civil war in the aftermath. I swear to god I had nothing to do with this (okay maybe a little, but not in the ways you'd expect!
)Is that the Sword of Islam DLC?
Originally Posted by Hooahguy:
Is that the Sword of Islam DLC?
Yep. 1.06 SoI with a test build of my mod. It was an observer game that i came back to after making dinner. Is that the Sword of Islam DLC?
I tried to take a screenshot to show you my game's version of Iberia, but PrintScreen gave me a picture of my desktop instead. How do you take screenshots, Monk?
Anyway, I managed to white-peace the Crusade, somehow. I pretty much had to stall around until Mauretania decided to pitch in, and then things got interesting. First, our combined 7000-strong stack got pulled into battle with the King of England's advance guard, which allowed the Pope's bigger stack to come in and crush us right off the bat.
So... I frantically waited around for troops to regen while they started sacking my territories in earnest, with me unable to quickly take them back. In the meantime, my 85-year-old Emir died and was replaced by his grandson, who promptly died of Typhoid Fever and was replaced by his son, a 13-year old. However, with the deaths came the money that my heir had been storing up from the county I gave him - enough to hire a band of mercs and sustain them, in fact. So I sent the mercs off to sack Rome in the meantime while my 500-man army played damage control with allied reinforcements. I managed to keep my own realm from being entirely conquered for long enough to take almost all of the Pope's holdings (he never bothered to defend them, and the mercs actually paid for themselves what with all the conquering they did) - and I was around positive 30 warscore with around 6 of my own holdings conquered when the Pope sued for peace. Feels good, man.
But I think things are going to get only more interesting in the future. Castille now holds approximately half of the Iberian peninsula all by itself. I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to combat them - I'm afraid not offensively, for at least a while. I'll post a screenshot if I can figure it out. It's wildly different from most Iberian cases I've been hearing about, and it's actually kind of impressive.
Anyway, I managed to white-peace the Crusade, somehow. I pretty much had to stall around until Mauretania decided to pitch in, and then things got interesting. First, our combined 7000-strong stack got pulled into battle with the King of England's advance guard, which allowed the Pope's bigger stack to come in and crush us right off the bat.
So... I frantically waited around for troops to regen while they started sacking my territories in earnest, with me unable to quickly take them back. In the meantime, my 85-year-old Emir died and was replaced by his grandson, who promptly died of Typhoid Fever and was replaced by his son, a 13-year old. However, with the deaths came the money that my heir had been storing up from the county I gave him - enough to hire a band of mercs and sustain them, in fact. So I sent the mercs off to sack Rome in the meantime while my 500-man army played damage control with allied reinforcements. I managed to keep my own realm from being entirely conquered for long enough to take almost all of the Pope's holdings (he never bothered to defend them, and the mercs actually paid for themselves what with all the conquering they did) - and I was around positive 30 warscore with around 6 of my own holdings conquered when the Pope sued for peace. Feels good, man.
But I think things are going to get only more interesting in the future. Castille now holds approximately half of the Iberian peninsula all by itself. I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to combat them - I'm afraid not offensively, for at least a while. I'll post a screenshot if I can figure it out. It's wildly different from most Iberian cases I've been hearing about, and it's actually kind of impressive.
Originally Posted by Chaotix:
I tried to take a screenshot to show you my game's version of Iberia, but PrintScreen gave me a picture of my desktop instead. How do you take screenshots, Monk?
Anyway, I managed to white-peace the Crusade, somehow. I pretty much had to stall around until Mauretania decided to pitch in, and then things got interesting. First, our combined 7000-strong stack got pulled into battle with the King of England's advance guard, which allowed the Pope's bigger stack to come in and crush us right off the bat.
So... I frantically waited around for troops to regen while they started sacking my territories in earnest, with me unable to quickly take them back. In the meantime, my 85-year-old Emir died and was replaced by his grandson, who promptly died of Typhoid Fever and was replaced by his son, a 13-year old. However, with the deaths came the money that my heir had been storing up from the county I gave him - enough to hire a band of mercs and sustain them, in fact. So I sent the mercs off to sack Rome in the meantime while my 500-man army played damage control with allied reinforcements. I managed to keep my own realm from being entirely conquered for long enough to take almost all of the Pope's holdings (he never bothered to defend them, and the mercs actually paid for themselves what with all the conquering they did) - and I was around positive 30 warscore with around 6 of my own holdings conquered when the Pope sued for peace. Feels good, man.
But I think things are going to get only more interesting in the future. Castille now holds approximately half of the Iberian peninsula all by itself. I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to combat them - I'm afraid not offensively, for at least a while. I'll post a screenshot if I can figure it out. It's wildly different from most Iberian cases I've been hearing about, and it's actually kind of impressive.
F11 let's you take screenshots.I tried to take a screenshot to show you my game's version of Iberia, but PrintScreen gave me a picture of my desktop instead. How do you take screenshots, Monk?
Anyway, I managed to white-peace the Crusade, somehow. I pretty much had to stall around until Mauretania decided to pitch in, and then things got interesting. First, our combined 7000-strong stack got pulled into battle with the King of England's advance guard, which allowed the Pope's bigger stack to come in and crush us right off the bat.
So... I frantically waited around for troops to regen while they started sacking my territories in earnest, with me unable to quickly take them back. In the meantime, my 85-year-old Emir died and was replaced by his grandson, who promptly died of Typhoid Fever and was replaced by his son, a 13-year old. However, with the deaths came the money that my heir had been storing up from the county I gave him - enough to hire a band of mercs and sustain them, in fact. So I sent the mercs off to sack Rome in the meantime while my 500-man army played damage control with allied reinforcements. I managed to keep my own realm from being entirely conquered for long enough to take almost all of the Pope's holdings (he never bothered to defend them, and the mercs actually paid for themselves what with all the conquering they did) - and I was around positive 30 warscore with around 6 of my own holdings conquered when the Pope sued for peace. Feels good, man.
But I think things are going to get only more interesting in the future. Castille now holds approximately half of the Iberian peninsula all by itself. I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to combat them - I'm afraid not offensively, for at least a while. I'll post a screenshot if I can figure it out. It's wildly different from most Iberian cases I've been hearing about, and it's actually kind of impressive.
f12, f11, shift+f12. shift+f11 and there is f10 too and shift+f10, I think.
After over a month of solid testing and experimenting with my mod, it's nice to look at this game as a source of recreation again. I had very nearly forgotten how addicting it can be. Nearly.
I absolutely love how "easy" it is for muslims to expand in SoI. You can gobble up a lot of territory, but you're always at a risk of a crippling succession crises and the rise of new dynasties to replace you, should you become too decadent. Striking the balance is an incredibly fine line and it's one that encourages expansion and smart title management. I love it. It fits my play style perfect.
1.06 SoI w/ TweaksMod
I absolutely love how "easy" it is for muslims to expand in SoI. You can gobble up a lot of territory, but you're always at a risk of a crippling succession crises and the rise of new dynasties to replace you, should you become too decadent. Striking the balance is an incredibly fine line and it's one that encourages expansion and smart title management. I love it. It fits my play style perfect.
1.06 SoI w/ TweaksMod
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Originally Posted by Monk:
A new power is rising on the shores of the Baltic. Oh my, this is a new trend in my mod and something rather unexpected, but I am loving it nonetheless. The limitations now imposed for fighting Holy Wars now means that these guys have a huge chance to breathe where before they did not. I'm watching with great interest what happens..
Wouldn't limitations on a Holy War give the Mongols a free ride to conquer all of Europe? They can do Tribal Invasion, whereas everyone else has to do either De Jure or Holy War to reclaim territory lost to them.A new power is rising on the shores of the Baltic. Oh my, this is a new trend in my mod and something rather unexpected, but I am loving it nonetheless. The limitations now imposed for fighting Holy Wars now means that these guys have a huge chance to breathe where before they did not. I'm watching with great interest what happens..
Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae:
Wouldn't limitations on a Holy War give the Mongols a free ride to conquer all of Europe? They can do Tribal Invasion, whereas everyone else has to do either De Jure or Holy War to reclaim territory lost to them.
Not really. While the mongols get the tribal invasion CB which targets king level titles, they're really not as stable as they were back in 1.03. Ever since 1.04 i've seen a lot of games where they have serious stability issues, the Il-Khanate is really bad for that. In my games it's never a coalition of nations that defeats the mongols, it's the mongols breaking up due to 50 independence wars at once that kills them, if they get killed at all. Wouldn't limitations on a Holy War give the Mongols a free ride to conquer all of Europe? They can do Tribal Invasion, whereas everyone else has to do either De Jure or Holy War to reclaim territory lost to them.
And thanks to the decadence changes, if the horde converts to islam they become a joke almost immediately. They hit 100% decadence within two years of converting, which gives them over a 50% penalty to morale and a huge income hit. It's rather funny actually.Thus far I have not observed the AI unable to win Holy Wars, the only difference is the speed at which they are willing to declare them. I have an AI modifier running on the CB entry that tells the AI it cannot consider the CB valid until it's character has 150 piety. Once it hits that 150, it starts scanning for a good place to Holy War. The introduction of the timer hasn't in any way inhibited the ability of the AI to win, it only limits the time it takes to expand using only a Holy War CB. The Crusade CB has not been altered in any way, so that doesn't affect the timer either.
To be honest I could never get a reliable test at the Horde dates due to the Hordes always converting and falling into infighting. If it does affect the late game to a degree that it's unbalanced in favor of horde factions I suppose i'll have to think of something else, but in the first 200 years it solved a lot of the game's issues.
Double post:
I should pay you kekvit because you give me the best ideas: Special "Horde Fighter CB" for Christians, untested but basically this is the entry under the tribal_invasion_CB
This lets any christian ruler use the tribal invasion CB against any of the horde factions, and ONLY the horde factions.
edit 2: Fixed. It now works correctly, allowing christian rulers to declare an invasion of any tribal land, so long as they have the title of one of the hordes. The CB is not valid toward any pagan, christian or muslim group otherwise.
Edit 3:
Now that I think about it you could probably make it even more inclusive by including AND tags for each of the horde titles. As in instead of one all inclusive OR, break them up into AND brackets that check not only for the title, but to also ensure that the target is pagan. This would limit the Christian's (or whoever's) ability to use this CB on the horde after they converted.
edit 4: HAHA DONE. Original Code updated.
edit 5: AAAAAAAAHHHHH SOMEONE STOP ME.
Noticed that the CB was still subtracting 500 piety for some reason, looked in the on_add flag and there it was plain as day. Paradox has set up the CB to subtract -500 piety from anyone who is not a horde. Simple fix:
Now it will check the target to make sure they are not christian before subtracting the piety. The special Muslim Invasion CB still requires the piety. Too much fun.
I should pay you kekvit because you give me the best ideas: Special "Horde Fighter CB" for Christians, untested but basically this is the entry under the tribal_invasion_CB
Code:
ROOT = {
OR = {
AND = {
religion_group = christian
FROM = {
OR = {
AND = {
has_landed_title = e_il-khanate
NOT = {
religion_group = christian
}
}
AND = {
has_landed_title = e_golden_horde
NOT = {
religion_group = christian
}
}
AND = {
has_landed_title = e_timurids
NOT = {
religion_group = christian
}
}
NOT = {
religion_group = christian
religion_group = muslim
religion_group = pagan_group
religion_group = zoroastrian_group
}
}
}
}
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edit 2: Fixed. It now works correctly, allowing christian rulers to declare an invasion of any tribal land, so long as they have the title of one of the hordes. The CB is not valid toward any pagan, christian or muslim group otherwise.
Edit 3:
Now that I think about it you could probably make it even more inclusive by including AND tags for each of the horde titles. As in instead of one all inclusive OR, break them up into AND brackets that check not only for the title, but to also ensure that the target is pagan. This would limit the Christian's (or whoever's) ability to use this CB on the horde after they converted.
edit 4: HAHA DONE. Original Code updated.
edit 5: AAAAAAAAHHHHH SOMEONE STOP ME.
Noticed that the CB was still subtracting 500 piety for some reason, looked in the on_add flag and there it was plain as day. Paradox has set up the CB to subtract -500 piety from anyone who is not a horde. Simple fix:
Code:
on_add = {
if = {
limit = {
ROOT = {
NOT = {
religion_group = christian
OR = {
has_landed_title = e_il-khanate
has_landed_title = e_golden_horde
has_landed_title = e_timurids
AND = {
mercenary = yes
NOT = {
num_of_titles = 2
}
}
}
}
}
}
ROOT = { piety = -500 }
}
}
I've been given an idea for a CB. Time to work again...
I had probably the most vicious series of wars recently.
First, I decided that Scotland needed all of Scotland, not just most of it neglecting the very top which belonged to Norway. So I declared war for a de jure on that county and raised my troops.
Man that was stupid. Not only did I lose Norway as an ally and a massive war that saw my entire eastern seaboard under attack, it eventually led to The Wars for Irish/Scottish Independence.
I eventually won The Norwegian/Scottish War, but it cost me many men and coin.
That’s where it went from bad to worse. The king died, leaving his 12 year old son on the throne. Two vassals rebelled, and they were put down within the year. Then another two rebelled, and I had to put them down. Then most of Ireland split off. We were worn down from the numerous wars, so we let them leave since we figured at the time we couldn’t do another war. Big mistake. When we finally decided to take Ireland back, it took almost 15 years of warfare and a marriage (to the Duchess of Leinster) to do so. Pretty intense, sustained warfare sucks.
First, I decided that Scotland needed all of Scotland, not just most of it neglecting the very top which belonged to Norway. So I declared war for a de jure on that county and raised my troops.
Man that was stupid. Not only did I lose Norway as an ally and a massive war that saw my entire eastern seaboard under attack, it eventually led to The Wars for Irish/Scottish Independence.
I eventually won The Norwegian/Scottish War, but it cost me many men and coin.
That’s where it went from bad to worse. The king died, leaving his 12 year old son on the throne. Two vassals rebelled, and they were put down within the year. Then another two rebelled, and I had to put them down. Then most of Ireland split off. We were worn down from the numerous wars, so we let them leave since we figured at the time we couldn’t do another war. Big mistake. When we finally decided to take Ireland back, it took almost 15 years of warfare and a marriage (to the Duchess of Leinster) to do so. Pretty intense, sustained warfare sucks.
What a disaster.
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Pride goeth before the fall.
You know, sometimes there are games where nothing goes right.
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You know, sometimes there are games where nothing goes right.
Tell me about it, I see way too many messages telling me my ruler took a blow to the head in battle. Nothing like a vegetable king to lose a kingdom over. Doesnt really help that every time I get lucky with a regent's stats some brainless twit replaces him through politics, you'd think they would at least have the dignity to survive long enough for me to execute them once I'm back in power but nooo, they have to die of age 3 days before thier regency is up leaving me without vengeance. Jackass.
Ouch.
My own Granada campaign got crushed by a crusade as well (A second one. I survived the first crusade and managed to expand into Aragon, and then the Pope had the courtesy to call another one on me!)
Anyway, been playing as the Sultanate of Rum since then (1080 start). Taking on the Byzantines and all their Orthodox buddies is fun, but decadence is through the roof due to my Seljuk cousins. It would be sitting at 100% constantly if every new dynastic uprising didn't knock it down 50%. Luckily it seems they are only targeting the larger Seljuk Sultanate, though, which is causing the majority of the decadence. It's still a major hit to my desmesne army morale, though. At this point I just want the rebels to win so I can be the one calling the shots in my dynasty and drop decadence down to where it should be.
My own Granada campaign got crushed by a crusade as well (A second one. I survived the first crusade and managed to expand into Aragon, and then the Pope had the courtesy to call another one on me!)
Anyway, been playing as the Sultanate of Rum since then (1080 start). Taking on the Byzantines and all their Orthodox buddies is fun, but decadence is through the roof due to my Seljuk cousins. It would be sitting at 100% constantly if every new dynastic uprising didn't knock it down 50%. Luckily it seems they are only targeting the larger Seljuk Sultanate, though, which is causing the majority of the decadence. It's still a major hit to my desmesne army morale, though. At this point I just want the rebels to win so I can be the one calling the shots in my dynasty and drop decadence down to where it should be.
Originally Posted by Chaotix:
Ouch.
My own Granada campaign got crushed by a crusade as well (A second one. I survived the first crusade and managed to expand into Aragon, and then the Pope had the courtesy to call another one on me!)
Anyway, been playing as the Sultanate of Rum since then (1080 start). Taking on the Byzantines and all their Orthodox buddies is fun, but decadence is through the roof due to my Seljuk cousins. It would be sitting at 100% constantly if every new dynastic uprising didn't knock it down 50%. Luckily it seems they are only targeting the larger Seljuk Sultanate, though, which is causing the majority of the decadence. It's still a major hit to my desmesne army morale, though. At this point I just want the rebels to win so I can be the one calling the shots in my dynasty and drop decadence down to where it should be.
You can imprison anyone who is apart of your dynasty who isn't your son with no penalties, only their parents will care. Give the person you want to be your heir a large part of your demesne (at least one full duchy), give the rest of your sons baronies or counties if you can. When your heir takes over, ruthlessly imprison his brothers before they can revolt, kill/imprison cousins or keep them unlanded and use them as battlefield commanders. Armies commanded by your dynasty will actively take away decadence as long as you are winning battles and sieges. Ouch.
My own Granada campaign got crushed by a crusade as well (A second one. I survived the first crusade and managed to expand into Aragon, and then the Pope had the courtesy to call another one on me!)
Anyway, been playing as the Sultanate of Rum since then (1080 start). Taking on the Byzantines and all their Orthodox buddies is fun, but decadence is through the roof due to my Seljuk cousins. It would be sitting at 100% constantly if every new dynastic uprising didn't knock it down 50%. Luckily it seems they are only targeting the larger Seljuk Sultanate, though, which is causing the majority of the decadence. It's still a major hit to my desmesne army morale, though. At this point I just want the rebels to win so I can be the one calling the shots in my dynasty and drop decadence down to where it should be.
Originally Posted by Monk:
You can imprison anyone who is apart of your dynasty who isn't your son with no penalties, only their parents will care. Give the person you want to be your heir a large part of your demesne (at least one full duchy), give the rest of your sons baronies or counties if you can. When your heir takes over, ruthlessly imprison his brothers before they can revolt, kill/imprison cousins or keep them unlanded and use them as battlefield commanders. Armies commanded by your dynasty will actively take away decadence as long as you are winning battles and sieges.
Yes, that's all well and good, but what do you do if all those decadent family members are in your distant cousin's court all the way out in Persia, and they're still affecting you in Turkey? Can't imprison those ones. Well, actually, I invited a few from the first generation to my court and they accepted because I could press their claims, then I deviously threw them in jail the minute they arrived. The next generation is a bit smarter and in some cases landed themselves, so they won't accept my invitations.You can imprison anyone who is apart of your dynasty who isn't your son with no penalties, only their parents will care. Give the person you want to be your heir a large part of your demesne (at least one full duchy), give the rest of your sons baronies or counties if you can. When your heir takes over, ruthlessly imprison his brothers before they can revolt, kill/imprison cousins or keep them unlanded and use them as battlefield commanders. Armies commanded by your dynasty will actively take away decadence as long as you are winning battles and sieges.
You have to assassinate them to really do anything about, and you can't start plots for the most part so it's going to be expensive, low hit-chance assassins. And they breed like rabbits anyway so there's not much point in doing anything but waiting till my kinsman the Sultan of Everywhere gets overthrown by a mob of angry Everyones.
Once that happens, Rum is small enough that I can take care of it on my own - and they're directly under my jusridiction, as you said.
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