Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
Post 1.05 western empires have been seriously nerfed, mostly due to the independance war changes. If one vassal rebels they can usually handle it. Two? Still, probably handle it. Any more than that and it's a good bet at least one of those wars will end with a new independant faction:

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Toscana and Provence both look to be in very good positions to win their independence early in the game, especially if they work together. Weak emperors are now a huge problem for our familiar grey blobs. Will be interesting to see how this further pans out as I play deeper into the campaign.
You haven't even looked at the byzz.