Crusader Kings II

**Kekvit Irae** · 06-02-2012, 22:39

Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

it encourages cheesy gameplay

Oh, you mean like having your ruler marry a Princess, pressing the claim, killing her off, gaining a new kingdom, and repeating 100x to rule the world in a single lifetime? :P

I definitely prefer the 1.05 way, from a gameplay standpoint. It means the Chancellor is actually not useless. But it's good that you can mod that out if you want to play a game like that.

**Beskar** · 06-02-2012, 22:49

Britain has formed a very interesting situation, it started with William the conqueror dying then his heir pressing the claim on England and winning. This led to no Norman holding upon the mainland. After a few decades a child ruler came about and all the duchies of England broke free and "Kingdom of England" remained sololy in Normandy. Around this time, Ireland was united and began their push for England, followed behind them was Scotland who lost Northumberland and came back with a vengeance.

Around 1130~
https://i.imgur.com/e9WPV.jpg

At 1171, it looks like this:
https://i.imgur.com/9iTqc.jpg

Looks like there is a real powerstruggle on the isles.

**Monk** · 06-02-2012, 23:59

Originally Posted by Tiaexz

Britain has formed a very interesting situation, it started with William the conqueror dying then his heir pressing the claim on England and winning. This led to no Norman holding upon the mainland. After a few decades a child ruler came about and all the duchies of England broke free and "Kingdom of England" remained sololy in Normandy. Around this time, Ireland was united and began their push for England, followed behind them was Scotland who lost Northumberland and came back with a vengeance.

Around 1130~
https://i.imgur.com/e9WPV.jpg

At 1171, it looks like this:
https://i.imgur.com/9iTqc.jpg

Looks like there is a real powerstruggle on the isles.

The British isles are probably one of my favorite sandboxes due to their isolated status from the rest of the map. While France and the HRE can (and will) attack you should you ruffle their feathers, they will by and large leave the islands be. After all they have much more pressing concerns. Iberia had a similiar status, but ever since the balance shifted in favor of early muslim factions the poor Jimena brothers don't stand a chance without player intervention.

Which leads to crusades being called and tons of outside interference from the HRE in particular.

I always try to keep an eye on the isles in my games because some hilarious stuff is almost sure to happen. My favorite came from my Rus game where Harold the Saxon became Harold the Great when he killed both William and Harald in their attempted invasions. His heirs would wax and wane in their power over three centuries before finally reasserting their total dominance of both England and Ireland - however Scotland always remained out of their reach. When i stopped playing in the Rus after total defeat in 1280, I think they were fighting their fifth war against the Scots and were doing terribly as well. I do love the stories this game can inspire

Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

Thank you! Nice, easy fix too.

You're welcome. Aside from a number of hard-coded things like the number of succession laws and opinion modifiers, CK2 is surprisingly modable and is easy to do once you figure it out. It's still a pain to assign localization to new entries, and breaking your game is always hilarious, but it's really fun to mess around with. It also helps that Paradox has included a number of notes within their game files that says "DO NOT CHANGE THIS OR IT WILL BREAK." That's always a plus

Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae

Oh, you mean like having your ruler marry a Princess, pressing the claim, killing her off, gaining a new kingdom, and repeating 100x to rule the world in a single lifetime? :P

I definitely prefer the 1.05 way, from a gameplay standpoint. It means the Chancellor is actually not useless. But it's good that you can mod that out if you want to play a game like that.

Indeed. Personally I don't care much for either way the game implements the claim system currently and am waiting with baited breath for 1.06. While I do feel that the 1.05 system is the best solution available to us now, it's great that if I wanted to switch back to <1.05 all I have to do is flip two values and i'm done.

**Kekvit Irae** · 06-03-2012, 02:38

Originally Posted by Tiaexz

Britain has formed a very interesting situation, it started with William the conqueror dying then his heir pressing the claim on England and winning. This led to no Norman holding upon the mainland. After a few decades a child ruler came about and all the duchies of England broke free and "Kingdom of England" remained sololy in Normandy. Around this time, Ireland was united and began their push for England, followed behind them was Scotland who lost Northumberland and came back with a vengeance.

Around 1130~
https://i.imgur.com/e9WPV.jpg

At 1171, it looks like this:
https://i.imgur.com/9iTqc.jpg

Looks like there is a real powerstruggle on the isles.

Jeez. I don't DARE go to war with England in my game. The fact that I own Ireland, Denmark, and Estonia (with a bit of Sicily) means that I cant muster and transport the troops quick enough to deal with their 15k army before they start rampaging all over the place. At least the Muslims keep to themselves most of the time and are pretty fractured. England is a unified nation with fully upgraded castles. I think it's time to marry and/or murder some English kids.

**Kekvit Irae** · 06-03-2012, 04:42

Well, I tried the duchy strategy of turning everyone into Doge's, and now they all hate me because I'm of the wrong government type. Joy.

EDIT: AWW SNAP, SON!

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**The Stranger** · 06-03-2012, 09:30

yes but thats the price for riches and more easily controlled vassals.

**Kekvit Irae** · 06-03-2012, 10:28

Originally Posted by The Stranger

yes but thats the price for riches and more easily controlled vassals.

Define "more easily controlled," because I'm seeing more ambitious gits who love to revolt than when I made Dukes, especially with the -30 opinion.

**The Stranger** · 06-03-2012, 11:24

no more superdukes and you can plot kill them to get a successor which likes you more :) because they dont marry really you also dont have to worry about their allies. and because you are so rich due to their taxes you can easily afford to gift them money to get + relations

and if they do happen to revolt they have slightly less army because they are more eco orientated. and cities are supposed to be easier to take (allthough i dont find this to be always true sadly :S)