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    You can reduce your feudal laws and increase your Noble Customs tech, each will give small boons. The laws can then be moved up again once you've dealt with the problems.

    Also use your family. When reassigning lands and titles favour your unlanded cousins, etc. they will have a dynasty bonus of +25 (I think?). And be vigilant with unmarried vassals, these are prime opportunities to marry your non-heir children into noble houses to end their lines and bring their lands into your dynasty.
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    Gotcha. How many holdings is a good amount? I currently have 4/5 holdings that Im allowed to have, but very now and then a vassal will ask me to give up a title that they should have. So far Ive been rejecting them diplomatically, but I maybe I should give some of them up?
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    I always try to hold as many holdings as possible under my demesne limit. Having the extra income and troops is almost always worth more than the Prestige penalty you get for unlanded sons. Muslim decadence does make things a little trickier, as GC said, but you're playing Britannia so you don't have to worry about that.

    Even if you can't diplomatically reject your vassals, it's not much of a penalty to deny them. Usually the kind of vassal that asks you is a Count within one of your Duchies, so they're not much of a threat. If you can, look for a way to consolidate your holdings such that you have all the Counties in each Duchy you own and not much outside them. That way you will avoid this kind of event entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    My Byzantium/Rome game finally came to a halt when a civil war involving half the Empire finally taxed my patience.
    Now you know how Augustus must've felt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    My Byzantium/Rome game finally came to a halt when a civil war involving half the Empire finally taxed my patience. I'll resume it another day, but its absolutely crazy. In the meantime, I've decided to try a Republic! Venice in 867. I'm only a couple decades in so far, but it is a nice change of pace. The internal politics of the Republic are a very fun and intriguing way to occupy what is apparently a rather war-less time.

    For those with experience playing Republics: Can you do some blobbing? How does territorial expansion work as a Republic, and what's the best way to go about it?
    Playing as a Republic is all about economic expansion.

    Typically your primary goal should be making a lot of money, and you'll find that conquests and expansion come with the money. You have a few tools at your disposal, and it works in a basic cycle:

    -You can build trade posts in coastal provinces.
    -You can declare war for cities in provinces in which you have trade posts.
    -You can declare war for provinces in which you have cities.
    -You can also do whatever a feudal lord can do.

    When you are Doge, make it your first priority to get yourself enough cities to fill your demesne limit. Cities give you a lot more cash than trading posts, and they are mainly an insurance policy in case you don't get re-elected. Also try to get yourself a Duke-level title, so that you can have Count-level vassals even when you're not the Doge.

    If you're not the Doge, or if you started out as the Doge, you'll also want to devote attention to building trade posts. Build as many as you can, and try to build them all around a single sea region, as you'll get bonus "trade network" money. You can have a lot more trade posts than cities, so these will become your primary investment down the line.

    You can give anyone in your family an honorary title called "designated heir", which will make him the heir instead of following the usual Seniority rule. Be aware that age is a major factor in the elections. You can also pay the election fund, though, and once you are rolling in dough it is quite easy to trivialize the election and make sure you get elected.

    If you want to role-play you may choose to forego the campaign fund, as it really does make the election process trivial. However, be aware that if you're just a Patrician, the Doge can attempt to seize your trade posts. If you Diplomacy is not high enough, there's nothing you can do about it (not even rebel), and you can't plot to get them back either against a Doge, or if you are the Doge. That's prompted a rage-quit on my end, but only because I wasn't aware of what little freedom there was in that situation.

    Anyway, once you are rolling in cash you'll be able to hire enough mercenaries to take on Kingdoms and eventually the Empires. It's perfectly possible to build an empire of coastal duchies and trading posts; Greece's duchies are 100% coastal and Italy comes close as well. Whatever you can't seize as a Republic you can always fabricate claims for.

    A final few points of advice:
    -Use the trade post views often, they are very useful and also give you an aesthetic sense of "empire".
    -Build up the republic city! When the AI is Doge, they won't do it since they know it just gets passed off to the next Doge. But a weak capital city can limit your potential, whereas a strong one can provide you with a ton of extra cash.
    -If you're going to make vassal Duchies, make them Dukes or Archbishops, not Mayors. City-level Duchies will become their own separate republic with their own five families, and it's very messy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    Good stuff, thanks! One last question though: What can you do with Empire titles? Will it not let you create them? Is there an Empire tier for Republics?
    I believe you can create Empires just the same way as a Feudal lord, though I haven't done it myself.
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    Hooah you also want to make sure your capital has either the most holdings or potential for holdings in it. A capital with 3 castles and a Marshall + Steward active will give much more money and levy than three counties spread out. Though you will get slightly less prestige.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    Hooah you also want to make sure your capital has either the most holdings or potential for holdings in it. A capital with 3 castles and a Marshall + Steward active will give much more money and levy than three counties spread out. Though you will get slightly less prestige.
    This is not always true.

    A city will produce many times more gold than a castle will. And under the usual crown laws you get a quarter of all your direct city vassals' income. This means with three spread out counties (say each with one city, one church, one castle) you'll get a quarter of the income from three cities. However, if you have just one holding, with three castles, one city, and one church, you only get the income from that one city.

    You don't get any substantial tax income from holdings that are not your direct vassals. To be specific, you get a percentage of each direct vassals' total income. So say you have a count vassal who has a city for a vassal, and you have Low Feudal taxation, then the amount you get from that city specifically is 10% * 25% = 2.5%. And if you have No Feudal Taxation, you get nothing. Taxation of anything beyond direct vassalage is extremely inefficient for the top liege.

    This is assuming you were talking about owning those three castle holdings.

    In general, as Psychonaut said the best counties to get in your demesne are the ones with the most potential holdings. But it's also best to only have one holding (usually the capital castle) in each of those counties, and let the rest be held by vassals. This way you maximize your vassal baronies/cities/bishoprics.

    Sorry, that was much longer and confusing than I intended it to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    My Byzantium/Rome game finally came to a halt when a civil war involving half the Empire finally taxed my patience. I'll resume it another day, but its absolutely crazy. In the meantime, I've decided to try a Republic! Venice in 867. I'm only a couple decades in so far, but it is a nice change of pace. The internal politics of the Republic are a very fun and intriguing way to occupy what is apparently a rather war-less time.

    For those with experience playing Republics: Can you do some blobbing? How does territorial expansion work as a Republic, and what's the best way to go about it?

    Why you want to try Venice? I suggest Genoa to you. Because Genoa is in a good place and also in history unlike Venice , it behaved the other kingdoms fairly ,so I think it deserves more than Venice for playing it.
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    OK but I really enjoyed playing as Genoa. As I read the history of fourth crusade I extremely hated Venice and I don't like Venice to play at all, but if you don't care try playing Venice.
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    Attila "the Cube"? How does one get that title?
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    Oh yeah, I got that part, but Im just trying to figure out where "cube" came from. Were they geometrically inclined or something?
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