When Did the Classical Hoplite fade out?

[Arjos]

Thorakitai and richer versions, were the elite forces...

Syrakusai, Sparte and Athenai didn't last long in the 3rd century, Kleomenes did reform the polis and gained manpower, but he already started to arm some as phalangitai...
There still were rich aspis hoplitai, but in very limited numbers...
Those poleis mostly resorted to external help, or lower classes...

Thureophoroi and Thorakitai essentially replaced the hoplites

Rather they were its evolution...
Discarding the aspis and cumbersome equipment...

[ahowl11]

Ok thanks, im guessing if you were trying to make a hoplite unit they would be elite and expensive while only consisting of around 80 men. So does this mean that the Aetolians/Achaeans, Sparta and other greeks would be using Phalangites along with the Theureophoroi? I'm just trying to get everything straight

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Doesn't the EB unit description say that the Classical Hoplite was used by small Greek towns in the EB era? Not the big cities, like Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Thermon and Demetrias, but the smaller towns and villages in between them?

Maybe the smaller the town, the more likely it is to still be using old-fashioned hoplites. Just like small countries use old-fashioned jet fighters and tanks today. So they are like a local unit of regional militia to bulk out your army, but they are mostly used for town defense. The Classical Hoplite can do a better job of town defense than the basic Levy Hoplite.

[Arjos]

Aetolians/Achaeans, Sparta and other greeks would be using Phalangites

Lately into the game yes, late 3rd - early 2nd century BC...
But again it wasn't in big numbers: the main forces in the area were thureophoroi, peltastai and poor psiloi...

[ahowl11]

@Titus Marcellus Scato, that is a great idea. You would think that each province or city would still have a levy of soldiers fighting in the hoplite fashion.

This raises the question to a broader topic in my mind now.
So in RTW you have Macedon and the Seleucids who have phalangites and the Greeks with Hoplites. I have been very curious about the hoplites existence at the time of RTW and it's mods. This is my conclusion:
Militia Hoplites should stay based off the theory above, but should they be available to the Seleucids or Ptolemies since the local population in the eastern provinces didn't necessarily fight in hoplite fashion? Hoplites and Armoured Hoplites should be deleted from the game.

Another question, in RTW the Greeks have 'Peltasts' and 'Heavy Peltasts'. Now, do the Peltasts actually represent the Psiloi in EB and Heavy Peltasts represent regular Peltasts? Or do the Heavy Peltasts represent the Theureophoroi?

Here is a quick recruitment tree for the greeks in my head, is it accurate?
Tier 1 - Militia Hoplites, Peltasts (Psiloi), Militia Cavalry
Tier 2 - Heavy Peltasts (Theureophoroi), Archers, Greek Cavalry
Tier 3 - Thorakitai, Phalanx Pikemen,
Tier 4 - Elite Hoplite Unit

Now this tree can be edited and expanded but I really want to make an accurate greek army for the Greek Cities faction

[seleucid empire]

i think thorakitai belongs in tier 4 and the only tier 5 units you can recruit are the greek elite cav and the spartans

[ahowl11]

I forget the name for the greek heavy cav, it starts with an 'x'. You are right though, Thorakitai were elite. To me it just seems like the greek army composition during the time of RTW is so vague. I'm hoping to learn as much as I can before I mod the greeks. EB seems to have a pretty accurate roster

[Vilkku92]

I was just wondering. If greek city states were mostly using thureoporoi in the 2nd century BC, when were the Iphikarotei Hoplitai used? I remember the game saying they were the ones that replaced the classical hoplites, not the thureoporoi. Of course, since Iphikarotei were basicaly lighter armed hoplites with thureos and such, it might have just been a transition between classical hoplites and Thureoporoi, and the latter was their replacement. I don't know though, so could someone tell me how it went?