When Did the Classical Hoplite fade out?

[Vilkku92]

I was just wondering. If greek city states were mostly using thureoporoi in the 2nd century BC, when were the Iphikarotei Hoplitai used? I remember the game saying they were the ones that replaced the classical hoplites, not the thureoporoi. Of course, since Iphikarotei were basicaly lighter armed hoplites with thureos and such, it might have just been a transition between classical hoplites and Thureoporoi, and the latter was their replacement. I don't know though, so could someone tell me how it went?

[Arjos]

when were the Iphikarotei Hoplitai used?

Those started around 350 BC and by the balkans invasion adopted the equipment as depicted in EB...
They were a step in between the classical hoplitai and the phalangitai (even though they started as peltastai iirc), afaik they co-existed with thureophoroi and thorakitai...

It was the aspis and the expensive bronze cuirass that were discarded for the infantry in time, because very few people could afford it and with all the military powers neighbouring Hellas, the poleis and koina needed to field as many men as possible...

[ahowl11]

Interesting. I was going to mention the same thing. The Greeks could have a nice and unique roster to choose from! This will probably be their roster (I still need some clarifications regarding a few units)

Doryphoroi - Greek Irregulars, light spearmen
Militia Hoplites - The Levy Hoplites that Titus Marcellus Scato mentioned
Theureophoroi
Levy Pikemen
Thorakitai
Phalanx Pikemen
Iphikratean Pikemen
Elite Hoplites - would depend on the city (Sparta, Corinth, Athens, Syracuse etc)
Thorakitai Pikemen
Psiloi - Peltasts in RTW
Slingers
Archers
Peltasts - Heavy Peltasts in RTW
Prodromoi - Light Lancers in RTW
Hippeis - Greek Cavalry in RTW
Allied Cavalry
Xystophoroi
Politikoi - Militia Cavalry in RTW

Does this roster seem accurate for a Greek faction around 280 BC? The Phalangite units could possibly serve as units who appear later in the game as a reform?
Any help would be great!

[Moros]

The real thureophoroi boom and hence end of hoplitai forces has been suggested to have been due to the battle of Pydna. Though that's usually associated with the theory that the thureophoroi were influenced largely by Roman forces. However around this time the forces of Antiochus III seem to have made much use of thureophoroi styled units. I personally don't really know when the sources stop for hoplites and start for thureophoroi in Hellas, nor how much they overlap. I'll check with Paul he should know.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

The real thureophoroi boom and hence end of hoplitai forces has been suggested to have been due to the battle of Pydna. Though that's usually associated with the theory that the thureophoroi were influenced largely by Roman forces. However around this time the forces of Antiochus III seem to have made much use of thureophoroi styled units. I personally don't really know when the sources stop for hoplites and start for thureophoroi in Hellas, nor how much they overlap. I'll check with Paul he should know.

If I'm not mistaken, Antiochus III was dead at the time of Pydna. Not to mention the destruction of Corinth and the last vestiges of Greek freedom only about 20 years in the future. Maybe you are thinking Cynoscephalae?

[Moros]

No I'm thinking of Antioch IV.

[Arjos]

I did write in my very first post that the hoplitai dwindled, in favour of the thureophoroi, in the 2nd century BC XD