Hi America, meet islamisation

**Hax** · 03-11-2012, 13:31

Actually chosing to wear it is an obvious statement that they reject the society they live, rejecting it any further is becomming jihadi.

How do you know this?

**Fragony** · 03-11-2012, 13:57

Originally Posted by Hax

How do you know this?

I assume so. Find me the passage in the Qu'ran that tells women to cover up if you will. It's wahibi political activism and it has no place here in the Netherlands, there are perfectly fine deserts where they can herd their wives and beat their sheep, or the other way around I'm no expert of people who have culture. Immigrant leave things behind, colonists bring it with them. I got only so much patience with it it's not Saudi Arabia over here, I detest arab culture and I am not going to apoligise for that

**Hax** · 03-11-2012, 14:50

Your assumption has no basis in fact, and I think that's where you're going off. When you start looking into the kind of women that are currently donning the burqa in Western Europe (let's limit ourselves to that place, then), you'll find two kinds of Muslim women:

1) Converts to Islam
2) "Born-again" Muslims.

As this is the case, how can you argue that this is a byproduct of immigration?

Interestingly, and we spoke at length about this in one of my classes on Modern Islamic philosophy, the Mufti of Egypt of 1899, who was also one of the greatest modern reformers of Islam, Muhammad Abduh, basically declared that the donning of the hijab (referring in this case to the niqab and burqa) have no basis in Islamic scripture and is rather a tradition that became identified with religion rather than it being a core part of the religion itself. I don't think you want to start a discussion with the deceased grand mufti of al-Azhar on this subject, right?

On that subject, what do you define as "Arab culture". It's about as useless to talk about a static "Arab culture" as it would be to talk about "Dutch culture" or "American culture". Would a show like Dr. Phil or Oh Oh Cherso be representative for the American respectively Dutch cultures? You seem to forget that especially in Egypt, there has been a massive amount of western influence, especially from the 19th century onward. I'm currently reading a book called "Amrikanli" by the Egyptian writer Sonallah Ibrahim. I'm pretty sure that's Arab culture too. Who are you, or for that case, who am I to define what culture is?

**Fragony** · 03-11-2012, 15:14

A knife in your guts can have a broader perspective, the horizon being the last thing you see. There is no moderate communism, there is no moderate national-socialism, and there is no moderate islam. Don't fascilitate it that's all I ask for really. We had enough madness on this continent there is no need to import another vile ideoligy, one that is worse than all combined

**CountArach** · 03-11-2012, 15:44

Originally Posted by Fragony

A knife in your guts can have a broader perspective, the horizon being the last thing you see. There is no moderate communism, there is no moderate national-socialism, and there is no moderate islam. Don't fascilitate it that's all I ask for really. We had enough madness on this continent there is no need to import another vile ideoligy, one that is worse than all combined

A terrific answer to Hax's question.

**Hax** · 03-11-2012, 16:04

There is no moderate communism, there is no moderate national-socialism, and there is no moderate islam.

And this ties in directly to our discussion how?

We had enough madness on this continent there is no need to import another vile ideoligy, one that is worse than all combined

So I take it this is how you respond to the fact that the burqa itself was declared un-Islamic by the highest institute of Sunni Islam? By spinning off about how Islam is a vile ideology that is dangerous to the West. Right.