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"Why are we bothering with these losers?" is my reaction.
How widespread are the demonstrations?
How widespread are the demonstrations?
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro:
"Why are we bothering with these losers?" is my reaction.
How widespread are the demonstrations?
Countrywide, but that doesn't mean everyone is joining in. This isn't purely a religious issue, its much more about how stupidly the Americans have handled things over there - this is just a touch paper."Why are we bothering with these losers?" is my reaction.
How widespread are the demonstrations?
Think about it: How would people react in the US if a UN sanctioned Muslim peacekeeping force burned fifty Bibles in a waste pit?
Badly?
Now imagine the US' economy is non functional, the peacekeepers have been there over a decade and you've got no infastructure because one side or t'other is always blowing it up.
You'd be pretty narked, wouldn't you?
Well historically speaking on the classiest nicest regimes have ever participated in book burning.
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I'm pretty sure of the many methods of disposing of books burning them is pretty low on the list of winning hearts and minds.
It's the ideological equivalent of salting the earth of your enemy. You've basically said their most precious ideas mean spit to you and you're quite happy to destroy them.
What is the literacy rate in Afghanistan? Aside from the Qur'an how many books do you think the typically house has?
Nero playing his harp while Rome burnt and the burning of Alexandria Library is still remembered to this day. Burning of books has never been seen as a great thing to do. Book burnings is generally done by small minded tyrannical regimes so scared of ideological opponents that they feel the need to stop the spread of their ideas.
Why on earth associate oneself with those by doing such a stupid thing?
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I'm pretty sure of the many methods of disposing of books burning them is pretty low on the list of winning hearts and minds.
It's the ideological equivalent of salting the earth of your enemy. You've basically said their most precious ideas mean spit to you and you're quite happy to destroy them.
What is the literacy rate in Afghanistan? Aside from the Qur'an how many books do you think the typically house has?
Nero playing his harp while Rome burnt and the burning of Alexandria Library is still remembered to this day. Burning of books has never been seen as a great thing to do. Book burnings is generally done by small minded tyrannical regimes so scared of ideological opponents that they feel the need to stop the spread of their ideas.
Why on earth associate oneself with those by doing such a stupid thing?
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvl:
Countrywide, but that doesn't mean everyone is joining in. This isn't purely a religious issue, its much more about how stupidly the Americans have handled things over there - this is just a touch paper.
Think about it: How would people react in the US if a UN sanctioned Muslim peacekeeping force burned fifty Bibles in a waste pit?
Badly?
Now imagine the US' economy is non functional, the peacekeepers have been there over a decade and you've got no infastructure because one side or t'other is always blowing it up.
You'd be pretty narked, wouldn't you?
No.Countrywide, but that doesn't mean everyone is joining in. This isn't purely a religious issue, its much more about how stupidly the Americans have handled things over there - this is just a touch paper.
Think about it: How would people react in the US if a UN sanctioned Muslim peacekeeping force burned fifty Bibles in a waste pit?
Badly?
Now imagine the US' economy is non functional, the peacekeepers have been there over a decade and you've got no infastructure because one side or t'other is always blowing it up.
You'd be pretty narked, wouldn't you?
Originally Posted by Papewai:
Well historically speaking on the classiest nicest regimes have ever participated in book burning.
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I'm pretty sure of the many methods of disposing of books burning them is pretty low on the list of winning hearts and minds.
It's the ideological equivalent of salting the earth of your enemy. You've basically said their most precious ideas mean spit to you and you're quite happy to destroy them.
What is the literacy rate in Afghanistan? Aside from the Qur'an how many books do you think the typically house has?
Nero playing his harp while Rome burnt and the burning of Alexandria Library is still remembered to this day. Burning of books has never been seen as a great thing to do. Book burnings is generally done by small minded tyrannical regimes so scared of ideological opponents that they feel the need to stop the spread of their ideas.
Why on earth associate oneself with those by doing such a stupid thing?
Book burning is generally done by college students getting rid of a textbook. Well historically speaking on the classiest nicest regimes have ever participated in book burning.
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I'm pretty sure of the many methods of disposing of books burning them is pretty low on the list of winning hearts and minds.
It's the ideological equivalent of salting the earth of your enemy. You've basically said their most precious ideas mean spit to you and you're quite happy to destroy them.
What is the literacy rate in Afghanistan? Aside from the Qur'an how many books do you think the typically house has?
Nero playing his harp while Rome burnt and the burning of Alexandria Library is still remembered to this day. Burning of books has never been seen as a great thing to do. Book burnings is generally done by small minded tyrannical regimes so scared of ideological opponents that they feel the need to stop the spread of their ideas.
Why on earth associate oneself with those by doing such a stupid thing?
Is the united states trying to wipe out the Koran by burning it? Was anyone? I don't think they are protesting against that at all.
Why don't YOU take some responsibility and not associate it with small minded tyrannical regimes yourself.
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro:
No.
Book burning is generally done by college students getting rid of a textbook.
Is the united states trying to wipe out the Koran by burning it? Was anyone? I don't think they are protesting against that at all.
Why don't YOU take some responsibility and not associate it with small minded tyrannical regimes yourself.
So, basically, American culture is so wasteful you burn books - rather than donating them to charity, or selling them to incoming students?No.
Book burning is generally done by college students getting rid of a textbook.
Is the united states trying to wipe out the Koran by burning it? Was anyone? I don't think they are protesting against that at all.
Why don't YOU take some responsibility and not associate it with small minded tyrannical regimes yourself.
Ye Gods!
No wonder you don't get it.
Pape is right, book burning is universally recognised as an ideaological activity, except by Americans, and is NEVER taken well.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
So, basically, American culture is so wasteful you burn books - rather than donating them to charity, or selling them to incoming students?
You have any idea how many books are plain disposed of every year? So, basically, American culture is so wasteful you burn books - rather than donating them to charity, or selling them to incoming students?
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Pape is right, book burning is universally recognised as an ideaological activity, except by Americans, and is NEVER taken well.
It's not recognized to be so, because it isn't. Take responsibility for your own illusions. Pape is right, book burning is universally recognised as an ideaological activity, except by Americans, and is NEVER taken well.
IIRC nabokov bought up all the translations of one of his books and had it burned because he didn't like how it was translated. People burn books for all kinds of reasons.
If you can't tell the difference between incidental burning and deliberately symbolic burning, AND you can't tell the difference between symbolic burning and a serious attempt to wipe out a book, you have no one but yourself to blame. If you go screaming fascism expect to have eyes rolled at you.
And surely this is about desecration or something along those lines and not fascism like you guys are pretending?
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro:
If you can't tell the difference between incidental burning and deliberately symbolic burning, AND you can't tell the difference between symbolic burning and a serious attempt to wipe out a book, you have no one but yourself to blame. If you go screaming fascism expect to have eyes rolled at you.
You are seriously claiming it's your own achievement to be able to differentiate between that? Nothing to do with education? Like the kind of education Afghans were denied for a long, long time? These people were raised and indoctrinated to think this way for many years, as the more educated people the US gets the choice of:If you can't tell the difference between incidental burning and deliberately symbolic burning, AND you can't tell the difference between symbolic burning and a serious attempt to wipe out a book, you have no one but yourself to blame. If you go screaming fascism expect to have eyes rolled at you.
a) annoy their archaic sensibilities and deal with the consequences (should be happy if it's just peaceful protests and not all of them joining the taliban)
b) try to be somewhat respectful until the people are on a similar level to the US, which isn't done in a day or a year
c) not get into the country after 9/11 in the first place in an effort to differentiate between a single, horrible terrorist act requiring police action and WAR ON TERRORISM AND BLOODY REVENGE
Sure, you value american lives and they value an arabic book, but the reactions to a destruction of such a value are very similar in both countries.
I would agree that books aren't worth making such a big fuss over but then I didn't grow up being taught to value these books over everything else.
For these people islam is their life and islam is represented by that book, you liberated them and claimed to want to bring them democracy, freedom and our values, obviously hasn't arrived or succeeded yet, that's not entirely their fault.
The West took many centuries to get from crusades to capitalism and some here still hold on to very old religious beliefs.
Expecting Afghans to turn around and become liberals after liberation turned out to be wrong a few years ago already.
The issue isn't even worth this long post that someone is inevitably going to interprete as america burning and subsequently protest against me.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
So, basically, American culture is so wasteful you burn books - rather than donating them to charity, or selling them to incoming students?
Ye Gods!
No wonder you don't get it.
Those terrible Americans. So, basically, American culture is so wasteful you burn books - rather than donating them to charity, or selling them to incoming students?
Ye Gods!
No wonder you don't get it.
Let's try to keep things in the realm of reality.
Burning the quran was the spark, not the underlying cause.
Try getting that through your bloodlust, people.
Try getting that through your bloodlust, people.
Originally Posted by Papewaio:
Well historically speaking on the classiest nicest regimes have ever participated in book burning.
=][=
I'm pretty sure of the many methods of disposing of books burning them is pretty low on the list of winning hearts and minds.
It's the ideological equivalent of salting the earth of your enemy. You've basically said their most precious ideas mean spit to you and you're quite happy to destroy them.
What is the literacy rate in Afghanistan? Aside from the Qur'an how many books do you think the typically house has?
Nero playing his harp while Rome burnt and the burning of Alexandria Library is still remembered to this day. Burning of books has never been seen as a great thing to do. Book burnings is generally done by small minded tyrannical regimes so scared of ideological opponents that they feel the need to stop the spread of their ideas.
Why on earth associate oneself with those by doing such a stupid thing?
No... Unless a UN sanctioned Muslim peacekeeping force decided to burn all books except for the koran. These idiots, and thats what these extremist are, need to calm the heck down. Id tell you all what I really thought of the situation but the orgs rules prohibit it.Well historically speaking on the classiest nicest regimes have ever participated in book burning.
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I'm pretty sure of the many methods of disposing of books burning them is pretty low on the list of winning hearts and minds.
It's the ideological equivalent of salting the earth of your enemy. You've basically said their most precious ideas mean spit to you and you're quite happy to destroy them.
What is the literacy rate in Afghanistan? Aside from the Qur'an how many books do you think the typically house has?
Nero playing his harp while Rome burnt and the burning of Alexandria Library is still remembered to this day. Burning of books has never been seen as a great thing to do. Book burnings is generally done by small minded tyrannical regimes so scared of ideological opponents that they feel the need to stop the spread of their ideas.
Why on earth associate oneself with those by doing such a stupid thing?
Let them burn.
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