Sex-Crazed Co-eds Going Broke Buying Birth Control

[Kralizec]

Maybe you didn't notice, but that was adressed at Icantspelldawg. If you're off the opinion that religious arguments are completely out of place here, I agree.

[Vuk]

Maybe you didn't notice, but that was adressed at Icantspelldawg. If you're off the opinion that religious arguments are completely out of place here, I agree.

I'm sorry, did you mean that as a private message, or did you post it on a public discussion board?

[Kralizec]

Of course not; you can reply to any public post. But I haven't seen you correct Crazed Rabbit or Icantspelldawg who seem of the opinion that covering contraceptives is an issue in itself.

[Vuk]

Of course not; you can reply to any public post. But I haven't seen you correct Crazed Rabbit or Icantspelldawg who seem of the opinion that covering contraceptives is an issue in itself.

The issue is forcing a religious institution to do something that goes against their moral beliefs. No one cares if people use contraceptives, they just don't want to force religious institutions to finance things they don't believe in. I don't know what CR or ICSD have been saying, because I have only read the last page of the thread, starting with Lemur's racism accusations.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I don't know what CR or ICSD have been saying, because I have only read the last page of the thread, starting with Lemur's racism accusations.

Well there's your problem.

[Strike For The South]

The issue is forcing a religious institution to do something that goes against their moral beliefs. No one cares if people use contraceptives, they just don't want to force religious institutions to finance things they don't believe in. I don't know what CR or ICSD have been saying, because I have only read the last page of the thread, starting with Lemur's racism accusations.

Once again, THEY ARE TAKING GOVERNMENT MONEY THEREFORE THEY WILL BE SUBJECT TO GOVERNMENT RULES

[Lemur]

Lemur's racism accusations.

Ah yes, I responded to silly rant about how Obama would end capitalism and force us all into collectivization with a my own torrent of silliness invoking Stalin and the Khmer Rouge, but all anyone saw was the word "." And when I edited that to read "Marxist," you're still going on about it two days later. Hosa even altered my quote to re-insert the word, 'cause we need to get our inujuredness in, at any cost.

And you wonder why I say the right-wingers are sniffing victim-scented glue? Seriously. Contrast my (rather silly) post with the howls of pain and anguish coming from yourself. Contrast and compare, and then tell me who's harping on race. I made a single joke in the middle of a series of jokes; you lot are acting like someone kicked your momma and won't stop hurting the innocent old gal.

There's a substantial debate to be had on this subject, and we've been going at it, despite the relentless dirge of how horrible I was to reference the president's race, two days after the fact, and after I edited the offending word out. (I guess the memory of your pain is enough to keep it alive? Kinda like PTSD? Please, show me where the bad lemur touched you on the doll, Vuk.)

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And just a little reminder on how this issue is playing out with the public at large (hint: not well)—

Mika Brzezinski reviewed new polls showing President Obama ahead of all the GOP candidates, and contributor Mark Halperin remarked that recent weeks have been a "bad period for the Republican party."

Scarborough agreed, calling the polls "absolute terrible news for a Republican party that has been working overtime to tarnish their brand." He argued that the Republican party lost a key opportunity when the Obama administration ruled that employers must include contraception in their health insurance plans.

"They had the advantage when all the Catholics were on their side but they couldn't leave it alone and it just continues with one statement after another that makes them look like they're hostile, not just to Democratic women," Scarborough lamented, referring to other controversial comments that Limbaugh and other Republicans have made about the issue.

He said that his wife had even directed him to tell the Republican party to focus on the economy and leave women's health alone. "This has been going on for a month," he continued. "I swear, what is wrong with these people?"

A recent Kaiser poll has some indicative data:

Americans who say they agree with the Federal mandate for birth control: 63%
Americans who say they want politicians debating birth control: less than 1%

The GOP has chosen a disastrously bad strategy on this one. This is what we call an "unforced error" in sports.

[HoreTore]

I haven't bothered to read the whole thread, so I don't know where the thread is right now(I suspect it's been de-railed about 3 times), but I'll give an answer to the OP:

Yes, birth control should be freely available, and preferably free. I get condoms in my mailbox every now and then, it's quite nice.

[Vuk]

Ah yes, I responded to silly rant about how Obama would end capitalism and force us all into collectivization with a my own torrent of silliness invoking Stalin and the Khmer Rouge, but all anyone saw was the word "" And when I edited that to read "Marxist," you're still going on about it two days later. Hosa even altered my quote to re-insert the word, 'cause we need to get our inujuredness in, at any cost.

And you wonder why I say the right-wingers are sniffing victim-scented glue? Seriously. Contrast my (rather silly) post with the howls of pain and anguish coming from yourself. Contrast and compare, and then tell me who's harping on race. I made a single joke in the middle of a series of jokes; you lot are acting like someone kicked your momma and won't stop hurting the innocent old gal.

There's a substantial debate to be had on this subject, and we've been going at it, despite the relentless dirge of how horrible I was to reference the president's race, two days after the fact, and after I edited the offending word out. (I guess the memory of your pain is enough to keep it alive? Kinda like PTSD? Please, show me where the bad lemur touched you on the doll, Vuk.)

-edit-

And just a little reminder on how this issue is playing out with the public at large (hint: not well)—

Mika Brzezinski reviewed new polls showing President Obama ahead of all the GOP candidates, and contributor Mark Halperin remarked that recent weeks have been a "bad period for the Republican party."

Scarborough agreed, calling the polls "absolute terrible news for a Republican party that has been working overtime to tarnish their brand." He argued that the Republican party lost a key opportunity when the Obama administration ruled that employers must include contraception in their health insurance plans.

"They had the advantage when all the Catholics were on their side but they couldn't leave it alone and it just continues with one statement after another that makes them look like they're hostile, not just to Democratic women," Scarborough lamented, referring to other controversial comments that Limbaugh and other Republicans have made about the issue.

He said that his wife had even directed him to tell the Republican party to focus on the economy and leave women's health alone. "This has been going on for a month," he continued. "I swear, what is wrong with these people?"

A recent Kaiser poll has some indicative data:

Americans who say they agree with the Federal mandate for birth control: 63%
Americans who say they want politicians debating birth control: less than 1%

The GOP has chosen a disastrously bad strategy on this one. This is what we call an "unforced error" in sports.

Dude, you do it all the time in other threads. It is about a pattern in how you argue. You, and other liberals, always play the race card. That is why it makes people upset. That is why people commented. You meant it as a joke? Fine. I was not trying to start a conversation about it again. I was just explaining to Kralizec that my entry into this thread was more focused on something other than the main point of the thread, and that I came in at the half-way part. Please, enough whining about being whined at already.

[Lemur]

I think that a side effect of this policy is that it does infringe on peoples' freedom of conscience without sufficient reason.

I think reproductive health is sufficient reason, and the fact that we are men discussing whether or not women should have access to cheap/subsidized birth control has a certain delicious irony, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Your points are fair and fairly made, but we disagree on this fundamental. I think choosing when to begin a family is basic to a woman's health. (Leaving aside the 14% of women who take the pill for hormonal or other health reason.)

You, and other liberals, always play the race card. [...] Please, enough whining about being whined at already.

You want to call me out as a race-baiter? You and the four other Orgahs who bandwagoned like you were lining up for cocaine in a 70s disco? Try again. And please, try harder. By incessantly whining and crying about a two-day old post (which was edited, a fact utterly lost on you), and prissing about how it reveals the hidden race-baiting agenda of EVERY LEFTIST EVAR, you parade your intellectual barrenness for all to see. Let's put it this way: If rhetorical or substantive content were required to get a woman pregnant, your posts would be completely safe. No birth control required. "Gelded" is the word that springs to mind.

You don't even have the courtesy to come back at me with anything clever. That's just rude, that is.

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In a way, I think this is a lovely analogy for the whole birth control debate. You grabbed what you thought was a safety rope, but it was actually a downed electric line. And now you don't understand why your shirt is on fire and your hair is smoking.

And now I promise this is the last time I will respond to the plaintive cries of the oh-so-offended rightwingers on this subject in this thread. At least, until someone has the testicular fortitude to come at me with substance, humor or style. I don't anticipate that happening.