LulzSec Curb-Stomped

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Robin Hood was one of many leaders of gangs of wandering plunderers who made sport of villagers but what made his story is that eventually he got himself pardoned and went on crusade. Some of his brothers didn't make it that far 'cause they were killed when they assaulted an abbey IIRC.

I have never heard that, and I consider myself fairly knowledgable on the Hood. Where is this coming from?

As for Lulzsec or whatever they called themselves, bunch of idiots the lot of them. If they wanted to do good or enjoyed the sport they could turn their energies towards whitehat activities. Then again, I suppose that is harder than finding a SQL injection vulnerability and abusing it.

It seems like the character involved are misanthropic, the chaos is what they enjoy about what they do. Hunting Cyber criminals, or even doing DDoS on the Taliban wouldn't do it for them - you have people like the Jester for that, and the character seems completely different. For one thing, Jester at least presents himself as a loner, not a collective, and doesn't seek external validation for his actions from the pack.

These are mostly teenagers who think there so smart they will never get caught, massive sentences will do to stop this type of behaviour.
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If you ask me give em 5yrs in a prison somewhere an force them to help kids with maths or computers in there schools for free.

I would give them 20 years suspended and ban them from owning a computer during that time.

[gaelic cowboy]

I would give them 20 years suspended and ban them from owning a computer during that time.

I would still prefer we got summit good out of it, makie them do some good with maybe a year in an open prison just to drive it home.

In this day and age banning them from using a or owning a pc is probably not sustainable, the lines have blured so much lately on what is a pc it's probably not enforceable.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I would still prefer we got summit good out of it, makie them do some good with maybe a year in an open prison just to drive it home.

In this day and age banning them from using a or owning a pc is probably not sustainable, the lines have blured so much lately on what is a pc it's probably not enforceable.

I don't see why they can't be banned from owning a PC and at the same time made to work for special branch. The thing these hackers value most is their online reputation, their real life anonymity and their freedom from authority.

So, take away their PC's, make them work for the government and release regular reports to the press praising their role in combating cyber crime.

Either they'll reform, or they'll be in living hell - depending on what kind of person they are.

[Tellos Athenaios]

one of them out-smarts his captors and sets back cyber-security in an epic fashion.

Well not so much a set back in terms of (poor) security as a really big heist: Gonzalez.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

lol, that'll work right up until one of them out-smarts his captors and sets back cyber-security in an epic fashion.

Oh really? Then why does the FBI do just this with juvanile Fraudsters, a la "Catch me if you can".

These folks fall into two kinds of camps: People with no grasp on responsibility and a desire to cause trouble, and people following an ideal zealously. The former is no good to anyone, and the latter can only be dealt with harshly (not because their ideal is no good, but because they knew the consequences of going against the law and it is the only fair outcome). Neither one is suitable for government work.

Your first group describes every teenager at some point or another. Think about it, you are looking at maladjusted juvaniles, probably with no social life outside the internet. You take them, you bring them in to the organisation, give them a career path and you send them after the dark net.

Nothing's going to put a hacker off fighting big corporations or governments by having the government send them after kiddy fiddlers and serial rapists.

Man wants a mission? Give him a mission.

[rvg]

...I would give them 20 years suspended and ban them from owning a computer during that time.

These guys have caused billions of dollars in damage. They should rot in jail for at least 20 years.

[gaelic cowboy]

These guys have caused billions of dollars in damage. They should rot in jail for at least 20 years.

Billions come on not a hope of that maybe they think they did, Your coming at this from the viewpoint of Fox news and conservmedia and it's obsession with wikileaks etc etc. Putting a fool of a teenager in jail for 20yrs is neither useful nor probably even legal, most of these lads have never broken the law before which usually means lighter sentencing.

And also they are often minors requiring less stringent jail time 20 yrs is to put it mildly an overreaction, PVC is right suspend the sentence and at the same time make em do service to the community that helps mitigate the damage.

This does not mean they wont see jail I am sure the Irish lads will be remanded to most likely to castlerea prison rather than serve jail time in America for a short while and then be given some form of restricted parole.

[rvg]

Billions come on not a hope of that maybe they think they did, Your coming at this from the viewpoint of Fox news and conservmedia and it's obsession with wikileaks etc etc. Putting a fool of a teenager in jail for 20yrs is neither useful nor probably even legal, most of these lads have never broken the law before which usually means lighter sentencing.

And also they are often minors requiring less stringent jail time 20 yrs is to put it mildly an overreaction, PVC is right suspend the sentence and at the same time make em do service to the community that helps mitigate the damage.

This is precisely the reason why internet crime has become so prolific: we do not take it seriously enough. They must be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

[gaelic cowboy]

This is precisely the reason why internet crime has become so prolific: we do not take it seriously enough. They must be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Seeing as the FBI investigated them and charged them in an America court and various other police around the world helped including our own I think it's safe to say it's taken seriously.

The problem taken seriously all right RVG it's just often downright impossible to make a case or even find the person.

[rvg]

...it's just often downright impossible to make a case or even find the person...

Which makes it even more important to punish to the max those whom we do catch. Fear is a great prevention mechanism: it won't stop the crime entirely, but it will prevent countless would-be-criminals from ever acting on their urges.

[CountArach]

Which makes it even more important to punish to the max those whom we do catch. Fear is a great prevention mechanism: it won't stop the crime entirely, but it will prevent countless would-be-criminals from ever acting on their urges.

The anonymity of the internet is such that the fear is reduced, as shown by the growth of piracy. Further, I think most people who have these talents would be willing to risk it in order to feel like part of a group of peers, such as Anonymous. The 'thousands' of people who you are refering to, despite being hyperbole, are not the really dangerous ones - the five or six guys who won't be suceptible to your fear tactics are the ones who are going to do your (again hyperbolic) billions of dollars of damage.

[gaelic cowboy]

Which makes it even more important to punish to the max those whom we do catch. Fear is a great prevention mechanism: it won't stop the crime entirely, but it will prevent countless would-be-criminals from ever acting on their urges.

It's never prevented crime before even for capital offences, I doubt it would work this time either.

These are mostly young often immature and sometimes even minors we should be helping them rvg, if we can get them to see that what they did is wrong there on a good road. They are young enough and smart enough that they can be turned around and made help society instead of causing these nuisances.

[rory_20_uk]

These guys have caused billions of dollars in damage. They should rot in jail for at least 20 years.

Are we going to apply the same logic to politicians and bankers? I realise that for them, billions is on the low side.

[Vladimir]

Are we going to apply the same logic to politicians and bankers? I realise that for them, billions is on the low side.

If these child hackers can provide a benefit to society than yes. They don't produce anything or provide any service.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Are we going to apply the same logic to politicians and bankers? I realise that for them, billions is on the low side.

Not quite. You see it's alright if you actually cause billions of damage. Then you're just a Neocon/job creator. If you don't actually cause any noteworthy monetary damage at all, you're an anarchist and must be locked away for life.

Seriously though, what's the point of sentencing someone to XX years in the slammer for the digital equivalent of "redecorating" the exterior of your shed?