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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Hanging if done by a trained professional is a pretty quick and painless way to go. If its screwed up then it is extremely unpleasant. Assuming the locals can screw even this up, why not firing squad? Get some of the relatives in on it to help them expunge the blood debt.

    Because I know that if I were a relative, I would aim for the stomach or nads. You shouldn't have that much passion being involved with an execution.
    Professional firing squad, aiming for the head would do just fine. Of all the ways one can be executed, I think I would find that the easiest and least humiliating.
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    Because I know that if I were a relative, I would aim for the stomach or nads. You shouldn't have that much passion being involved with an execution.
    Professional firing squad, aiming for the head would do just fine. Of all the ways one can be executed, I think I would find that the easiest and least humiliating.
    Fair point. But if you had 4 professionals, it would not really matter what the relatives did or didn't do. They'd still be nigh on instantly dead in a hail of bullets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Fair point. But if you had 4 professionals, it would not really matter what the relatives did or didn't do. They'd still be nigh on instantly dead in a hail of bullets.

    But you could still have an instant or two too much or excruciating pain. We are not the Medieval Catholic Church, and we should not be torturing prisoners.
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    We have an agreement with Afghanistan as well as every other country hosting U.S. troops that explicitly states that our soldiers get tried by our military tribunal, not the local courts. No exceptions. If this happened in Germany, our soldier would still be 100% immune from German prosecution (at that point he'd wish he wasn't, but that's another story). That's the way we run things everywhere, not just in Afghanistan. If some country doesn't like that, it's their prerogative, that just means that we will not station our troops there (as was the case with Iraq last fall).
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    We have an agreement with Afghanistan as well as every other country hosting U.S. troops that explicitly states that our soldiers get tried by our military tribunal, not the local courts. No exceptions. If this happened in Germany, our soldier would still be 100% immune from German prosecution (at that point he'd wish he wasn't, but that's another story). That's the way we run things everywhere, not just in Afghanistan. If some country doesn't like that, it's their prerogative, that just means that we will not station our troops there (as was the case with Iraq last fall).
    I think that misses out the minor detail that Afghanistan and Iraq were actually invaded and did not exactly have a choice regarding the stationing of troops...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynwulf View Post
    I think that misses out the minor detail that Afghanistan and Iraq were actually invaded and did not exactly have a choice regarding the stationing of troops...
    Perhaps there is a term you are not familiar with: SOFA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Perhaps there is a term you are not familiar with: SOFA.
    Yes... but if the countries were invaded in the first place, then how exactly is that worth the paper it's printed on?

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    Iraq did have a choice, it expressed its choice, which is why we're out of there: they refused to extend the agreement. Same agreement is in place with Karzai.
    So now Iraq and Afghanistan chose to be invaded...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynwulf View Post
    Yes... but if the countries were invaded in the first place, then how exactly is that worth the paper it's printed on?
    Because the de facto government agreed with it, regardless of your opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Perhaps there is a term you are not familiar with: SOFA.
    U.S. personnel are immune from criminal prosecution by Afghan authorities, and are immune from civil and administrative jurisdiction
    except with respect to acts performed outside the course of their duties.
    I wonder... though no doubt there's some other clause...

    Would that apply to say... abandoning your post and heading off to butcher 16 civilians?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cynwulf View Post
    I think that misses out the minor detail that Afghanistan and Iraq were actually invaded and did not exactly have a choice regarding the stationing of troops...
    Oh, it's fine as the new (puppet) government that was instated is as pleased as punch to have the opportunity to embezzle as much money as he and his extended clan can get away with whilst a war is fought over the barren wasteland that is his country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynwulf View Post
    I think that misses out the minor detail that Afghanistan and Iraq were actually invaded and did not exactly have a choice regarding the stationing of troops...
    Iraq did have a choice, it expressed its choice, which is why we're out of there: they refused to extend the agreement. Same agreement is in place with Karzai.

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    If I was a Afghan village chief in a remote village who thinks all soldiers are Russian, how would you explain that to me after this ( supposed) spree of uncalled viollence. Sorry have some goats? Tell me how you are not being just conquering the place exactly, and why said chief should see it any differently
    I'm not sure I understand your question.
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    [QUOTE=rvg;2053431081I'm not sure I understand your question.[/QUOTE]

    What do you want from them, to suddenly leave everything to you? Trust your courts? You are a foreign invader, you expect grattitude because you mowed their lawn but it's still your boot that really affects them more directly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    What do you want from them, to suddenly leave everything to you? Trust your courts? You are a foreign invader, you expect grattitude because you mowed their lawn but it's still your boot that really affects them more directly
    I don't really care what the average Nasratullah wants. Our government has an agreement with their government on how to handle these cases. Thus, the case will be handled according to the agreement. Public outcry over this while understandable is completely irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cynwulf View Post
    So now Iraq and Afghanistan chose to be invaded...?
    Did I say that?

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    An agreement with a now infamous puppet regime and corrupt president - not an agreement with the Afghan people, the various tribes, etc...
    The "infamous puppet regime" is what the U.N. recognizes as a legitimate afghan government. They'll do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    We have an agreement with Afghanistan as well as every other country hosting U.S. troops that explicitly states that our soldiers get tried by our military tribunal, not the local courts. No exceptions.
    If I was a Afghan village chief in a remote village who thinks all soldiers are Russian, how would you explain that to me after this ( supposed) spree of uncalled viollence. Sorry have some goats? Tell me how you are not being just conquering the place exactly, and why said chief should see it any differently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    Because I know that if I were a relative, I would aim for the stomach or nads. You shouldn't have that much passion being involved with an execution.
    Professional firing squad, aiming for the head would do just fine. Of all the ways one can be executed, I think I would find that the easiest and least humiliating.
    Firing squads are not aiming for the head, but chest.
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    Maybe in addition to TBI, this soldier who kept volunteering for deployments was also sold crack by the CIA. And here I didn't even realize he was black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    Firing squads are not aiming for the head, but chest.
    So? I am saying they should aim for the head. If a guy cannot hit the head at that range, he should not be on a firing squad.
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    So? I am saying they should aim for the head.
    Why?
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    Why?
    You wouldn't rather be shot in the head? Several .30 cals in the head is an instant death. If they are in the chest, you may still live for a while.
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    So? I am saying they should aim for the head. If a guy cannot hit the head at that range, he should not be on a firing squad.
    If you survive the firing squad the presiding officers finishes you with a pistol shot to the temple, when he feels like it.
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    The smearing starts: Separately, an un-named US military official told the New York Times that the suspect had simply "snapped", and confirmed that he was on his fourth combat tour. "When it all comes out, it will be a combination of stress, alcohol and domestic issues - he just snapped," the official said.

    Although the soldier describes his Marriage as fantastic and had no problems with alcohol. I guess trying to angle blame away from the military who sent him back is very important at this point - better a drunk wife beater than a damaged war veteran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    If you survive the firing squad the presiding officers finishes you with a pistol shot to the temple, when he feels like it.
    What if you survive that?
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    What if you survive that?
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    several in the chest and one in the head? Dude survives that its only a question of "for how long?"
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    What if you survive that?
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    What if you survive that?
    If you survive that, they tie you to the bed and tickle you until you die laughing.

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    nothing that has come out changes any of what I said. He should still hang. Pity he has children. You think the afghans troops kill a bunch of NATO troops now? Wait until this guy gets a prison sentence like the Kill Squad ringlieader....

    As long as our mission is COIN and "training and mentoring" Afghan forces we cannot let our people go ape #$%^ on civilians and get away with it, because the rest of us pay. If we want to behave and punish the guilty in this manner, then we need to kick every afghan off of every base and stop training their people and go back to Turtling like we did the first 3 years.
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