Church leaders do not believe in a literal understanding of the Bible

**Idaho** · 03-18-2012, 09:48

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

No we don't differ

That, sir, is the entire By-Our-Lady point.

I said you think your beliefs are right, not that you are utterly wedded to them.

Of course because I'm a Christian you probably suppose I don't know what "thinking" means.

I thought the very essence of faith was not to doubt and question?

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-18-2012, 17:02

Originally Posted by Idaho

I thought the very essence of faith was not to doubt and question?

No, Faith is believing something despite a lack of definative proof - to doubt and question is human.

"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

Rowan Williams said there was a "certain generation" that did not know what religion was actually about, funilly enough I immidiately thought of you.

**Strike For The South** · 03-18-2012, 17:17

God doesn't care about it, just that we do good works and live good lives

False, salvation only comes through the acceptance of Christ. Christians are called upon to do more but there is only one way to get the prize at the end.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-18-2012, 18:57

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

False, salvation only comes through the acceptance of Christ. Christians are called upon to do more but there is only one way to get the prize at the end.

But you don't believe in God any more, do you?

So you obviously didn't buy into that.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-18-2012, 19:41

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

But you don't believe in God any more, do you?

So you obviously didn't buy into that.

Once Saved Always Saved/Perseverance of the Saints?

PVC the Calvinist?

**Strike For The South** · 03-19-2012, 00:07

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

But you don't believe in God any more, do you?

So you obviously didn't buy into that.

I think their is always a posibilty that people only believe due to fear.

The thought is that Jesus is who he says he is and his veiws should be heeded

But most people only beilive due to threat of punishment

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-19-2012, 00:25

Originally Posted by Rhyfhylwyr

Once Saved Always Saved/Perseverance of the Saints?

PVC the Calvinist?

Any more of that and you'll meet PVC-in-Jerusalem-circa-1092 AD.

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I think their is always a posibilty that people only believe due to fear.

The thought is that Jesus is who he says he is and his veiws should be heeded

But most people only beilive due to threat of punishment

No, I don't think so. People can be cowed into outward observance by fear - but that isn't the same as faith or even belief.