Legalizing Prostitution in Canada

[Fragony]

Legalized prostitution just means taxed prostitution, just being lenient is better. You are making things worse this way, legal prostitutes will always be more expensive than illegal ones, it will only lead to more abuse. It's all so simple, turn a blind eye when you can, and act if you must.

[CountArach]

Legalized prostitution just means taxed prostitution, just being lenient is better. You are making things worse this way, legal prostitutes will always be more expensive than illegal ones, it will only lead to more abuse. It's all so simple, turn a blind eye when you can, and act if you must.

Frags, are you really claiming that Prostitutes who work illegally are going to have things worse than an illegal one who might work for a pimp and would have no legal recourse if she were abused?

[Montmorency]

Abused is good, as long as it keeps prices down?

[Sarmatian]

Will legalizing prostitution make it better for the women? I'm not so sure.

I hardly expect respectable women to become prostitutes now and respectable businessmen to create a brothel brand - Here, at Millenium Brothels(tm), your satisfaction is our number one concern. I just don't see it happening.

More sinister brothels will remain underground and you will still be required to try to close them in the old fashioned way.

[Greyblades]

Huh, I was going to say something, but all I can think of is the thought I had that the worlds oldest profession becoming legalized would result in unionised prostitution.

[Kralizec]

Huh, I was going to say something, but all I can think of is the thought I had that the worlds oldest profession becoming legalized would result in unionised prostitution.

Done, over here. Don't know anything about its effectiveness, though.

[Fragony]

Done, over here.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The only control there is is tax collectors, outpricing any decency that exists in that trade. It's a vicious trade that is completely out of control because of control.

[lars573]

Will legalizing prostitution make it better for the women? I'm not so sure.

I hardly expect respectable women to become prostitutes now and respectable businessmen to create a brothel brand - Here, at Millenium Brothels(tm), your satisfaction is our number one concern. I just don't see it happening.

More sinister brothels will remain underground and you will still be required to try to close them in the old fashioned way.

It should be noted that in Canada the actual concept of paying someone for sex isn't illegal. What is illegal is any conceivable way to ply and profit from that trade. The court ruling strikes down 2 such laws as unconstitutional, and mandates changing a third (about pimping). But leaves 1 about advertising in place.

[Fragony]

Frags, are you really claiming that Prostitutes who work illegally are going to have things worse than an illegal one who might work for a pimp and would have no legal recourse if she were abused?

Legal ones will be better off, the illegal ones that WILL still exist so much worse, prices will just drop and the state can shrug it off pointing to a few words that only exist on paper

[CountArach]

Legal ones will be better off, the illegal ones that WILL still exist so much worse, prices will just drop and the state can shrug it off pointing to a few words that only exist on paper

You can't enact a law like this, where the majority of workers in the industry will benefit, just because the minority of workers will get worse conditions working in a way that is outside of that law.

[Fragony]

You can't enact a law like this, where the majority of workers in the industry will benefit, just because the minority of workers will get worse conditions working in a way that is outside of that law.

Screw the law when you can be pragmatic, how hard can it be to simply not arrest prostitutes unless there is a need to act because they are abused. You simply can't control the undercurrents, so simply don't try just because you like how good it looks on paper. you will do more harm than good

[Montmorency]

you will do more harm than good

Can you demonstrate that this has consistently been the case in units where prostitution was legalized, taking into account distinct degrees of legalization?

At any rate, I demand a high standard of health and safety and convenient location!

[CountArach]

Screw the law when you can be pragmatic, how hard can it be to simply not arrest prostitutes unless there is a need to act because they are abused. You simply can't control the undercurrents, so simply don't try just because you like how good it looks on paper. you will do more harm than good

What? By keeping it illegal you are, by definition, putting prostitutes into a realm where there are no laws. That means that they can be abused, exploited and all manner of terrible things and there is nothing that they can do to stop this because there are no laws protecting them. If you legalise it you can create a legal framework where they can be protected and where they can enter a court against their employer for being forced to do things that they don't want to. In a vulnerable profession like this one, surely that is one of the most important things that we can do for the workers.

[Fragony]

What? By keeping it illegal you are, by definition, putting prostitutes into a realm where there are no laws. That means that they can be abused, exploited and all manner of terrible things and there is nothing that they can do to stop this because there are no laws protecting them. If you legalise it you can create a legal framework where they can be protected and where they can enter a court against their employer for being forced to do things that they don't want to. In a vulnerable profession like this one, surely that is one of the most important things that we can do for the workers.

Law law law, this is a different sphere, a sphere the people writing all that cool stuff don't understand. It doesn't apply.

[Andres]

That means that they can be abused, exploited and all manner of terrible things and there is nothing that they can do to stop this because there are no laws protecting them.

Are you now saying that, in the current state of affairs, it is perfectly legal to abuse and exploit people and all manner of terrible things?

Isn't there already a legal framework that protects people against slavery and against forcing people to do things they don't want to do?

I wasn't aware that what you are describing there is now legal? So surely, to avoid people being exploited and abused can't be the motivation to legalize prostitution, since those kinds of things are already forbidden...

I think it would be a terrible mistake to think that legalizing prostitution will suddenly stop all of that.