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**Peasant Phill** · 04-10-2012, 11:50

I'm playing a Saga campaign and I'm trying to be a good imperial clan. I've conquered 2 shogunate clans in my vicinity and other imperial clans took out the others. I have to go several turns east by navy just to get to the first shogunate clan, something that will be pratically suicide for my army.

Have any of you experienced the same thing? What did you do?

**Vladimir** · 04-10-2012, 15:17

Originally Posted by Peasant Phill

I'm playing a Saga campaign and I'm trying to be a good imperial clan. I've conquered 2 shogunate clans in my vicinity and other imperial clans took out the others. I have to go several turns east by navy just to get to the first shogunate clan, something that will be pratically suicide for my army.

Have any of you experienced the same thing? What did you do?

Stab them in the back, quietly. I had a vassal I didn't want turning on me after Realm Divide so I caused a rebellion while they had their army in a fleet. They were on the way to attack a mutual enemy but I didn't need them hanging around. In my first game my allies are so incompetent that I didn't have to engage them directly.

**Voigtkampf** · 04-10-2012, 17:42

What the man said. If you don't, they will stab you in the back, eventually. All is fair in love and war.

**TargetSlayer** · 04-10-2012, 18:54

I have played three Long Campaigns on Normal - two for the Emperor and one for the Shogunate. In all my campaigns so far I have seen clans change side up to the point where your fame is significant enough where you are given a choice to continue fighting for Emperor/Shogunate or go it alone. I cannot remember any clan changing sides after that point. So it depends. While I usually prefer a solid frontline(s), if you are approaching this mentioned milestone I would be surprised if this clan changes sides. If you do attack him, of course you need to make sure all his Alliances are broken before the attack. Another option is to cause a Revolt, though you will suffer a small penalty on your relations with him (but he won't be around for long anyway).

TS!

**andrewt** · 04-12-2012, 04:51

As Saga, I don't think you have much of a choice. You need to get those three very fertile provinces as early as you can. Either backstab them or declare war the moment your alliance's 20 turn extra penalty is over.

**Forward Observer** · 04-12-2012, 22:08

Remember that whether a clan is Shogunate or Empire, all are nothing more than petty warlords who are basically looking out for #1. If it either bothers you to turn on an ally, or if it is the fact that said ally may presently be too strong to attack and/or also allied with others even stronger, then simply incite a revolt in their province closest to you. Chances are the rebels will take it, and then you can move in without declaring war. You can eliminate whole clans this way without ever being at war with them.

The downside is that sometimes the rebel army that spawns will be large, they will hole up in the castle, and after defeating them you will find everything quite damaged--which will present you with a substantial repair bill. However, it's still usually cheaper than attempting to build up an extra stack of troops and ships to chance a invasion of a distant enemy province--especially early in the game when your economy is just getting off the ground.

Cheers

P.S. If any of the damaged city structures don't fit your needs, don't hesitate to torch them instead of repairing. Then you can build to suit your particular gameplan on the next turn.

**Yesugey** · 01-13-2016, 17:45

Originally Posted by Peasant Phill

I'm playing a Saga campaign and I'm trying to be a good imperial clan. I've conquered 2 shogunate clans in my vicinity and other imperial clans took out the others. I have to go several turns east by navy just to get to the first shogunate clan, something that will be pratically suicide for my army.

Have any of you experienced the same thing? What did you do?

I recently experienced the same thing wish Choshu, and unlike all people above, I strongly recommend to not to back-stab your Imperial allies. Once you conquered enough provinces they will be your allies and help you on your cause so greatly.

Now my empire looks like a patchwork: It literally consists of 6 isolated parts, plus an island. The gaps are filled with my allies. We march together against Shogunate.

What you should be doing is be an ally with them, and grant each other military accesses. When your army get exhausted, they will continue marching from your land.