Houston we have problem

[Fragony]

49 ex-Nasa scientists including two former directors distantiated themselves from the greatest scientific hoax since the last greatest hoax that is acid rain. Of course we are talking about having to be absolutely terrified of CO2. Oh yay lucky us I mean we survived having our faces washed of by acid rain, the hole in the ozon layer isn't burning us to death, and nature in general doesn't care about manmade laws. The ancient Egyptians had 10 plagues, what is finally going to KILL us ALL?

Down with religion, especially manmade global warming. You idiots, yes you. No apocalyps you apocalyptoloco's.

[gaelic cowboy]

Usually someone posts a reply like "link or it didnt happen"


I find it amusing though that you feel that this even if true would then disprove an entirely different theory though.

Your trying too hard Frag you need to let go or you will give yourself an ulcer.

[Fragony]

Usually someone posts a reply like "link or it didnt happen"


I find it amusing though that you feel that this even if true would then disprove an entirely different theory though.

Your trying too hard Frag you need to let go or you will give yourself an ulcer.

I was kinda thinking you would be happy since you are not going to be washed away by nature's wrath, even if it means you get to live longer in Scotland, being alive is always better than nothing. Why ask for a link, did I ever lie to you?

[gaelic cowboy]

I was kinda thinking you would be happy since you are not going to be washed away by nature's wrath, even if it means you get to live longer in Scotland, being alive is always better than nothing. Why ask for a link, did I ever lie to you?

Well Ireland would survive even a total melting which I have heard is about a 65m rise, but the country would be then 50% smaller due to the shannon alone.

[Lemur]

"Lie" is such a harsh, unforgiving word. Couldn't we instead say, "Operated from an alternate factual system wherein causality is inoperative"?

[Vladimir]

"Lie" is such a harsh, unforgiving word. Couldn't we instead say, "Operated from an alternate factual system wherein causality is inoperative"?

Sorry, late to the game.

Just had to repost this for its brilliance.

[rvg]

Down with religion, especially manmade global warming. You idiots, yes you. No apocalyps you apocalyptoloco's.

I don't know about that. As people are starting to develop farming ... in Greenland ... I find myself unable to dismiss the idea of global warming. Forget the yearly temperature measurements, forget the current fluctuations and just take a look at Greenland.
In the 80s it was an icebox through and through. Nowadays you have this, at least in the south of it http://www.spiegel.de/international/...434356,00.html

[Sigurd]

I don't know about that. As people are starting to develop farming ... in Greenland ... I find myself unable to dismiss the idea of global warming. Forget the yearly temperature measurements, forget the current fluctuations and just take a look at Greenland.
In the 80s it was an icebox through and through. Nowadays you have this, at least in the south of it http://www.spiegel.de/international/...434356,00.html

That's the thing...
Farming on Greenland happened during the Viking age, but was discontinued due to global freezing in the late 13th century. Normalization would be a better term for Global warming.

[rvg]

That's the thing...
Farming on Greenland happened during the Viking age, but was discontinued due to global freezing in the late 13th century. Normalization would be a better term for Global warming.

Call it what you will, Normalization, Global Warming, Climate Change, whatever. Whether it's manmade or not is also irrelevant, because either way it must be stopped. Why? Because the modern civilization has been built around the 19th-20th century climate with its rainfall patterns, ocean levels, hurricane seasons, etc. A significant change in climate will be a catastrophe for about half of the world's population: they won't care if the climate change is natural or man made, as they'll be facing the prospect of droughts in some places and going below sea level in others. Manmade or not, this process must be stopped.

[Vuk]

Call it what you will, Normalization, Global Warming, Climate Change, whatever. Whether it's manmade or not is also irrelevant, because either way it must be stopped. Why? Because the modern civilization has been built around the 19th-20th century climate with its rainfall patterns, ocean levels, hurricane seasons, etc. A significant change in climate will be a catastrophe for about half of the world's population: they won't care if the climate change is natural or man made, as they'll be facing the prospect of droughts in some places and going below sea level in others. Manmade or not, this process must be stopped.

lmao, desperate man...just desperate. Funny how humans have survived much more drastic climate change over the years. Wouldn't you think that a smarter thing to do than trying to force an entire planet to do what we want, would be to restructure our civilization around it? Which is easier, restructuring our society, cities, and way of life, or restructuring an entire planet? In the scheme of things, humans are pretty insignificant. It is quite arrogant to think that we have the power to craft an entire planet to our liking.

[rvg]

lmao, desperate man...just desperate. Funny how humans have survived much more drastic climate change over the years. Wouldn't you think that a smarter thing to do than trying to force an entire planet to do what we want, would be to restructure our civilization around it? Which is easier, restructuring our society, cities, and way of life, or restructuring an entire planet? In the scheme of things, humans are pretty insignificant. It is quite arrogant to think that we have the power to craft an entire planet to our liking.

To adapt is good, to control is better. Human civilization has been at the mercy of the elements for its entire lengths of existence. It is time to run the tables imho. Technological progress is here for a reason: if we are to survive and thrive, we have to be able to exert control over our environment. More control == safer environment. Furthermore, as the population grows, any sort of natural disaster will result in very high casualties. More control will allow us to prevent or at least reduce the casualty rate.

[Rhyfelwyr]

It is quite arrogant to think that we have the power to craft an entire planet to our liking.

Not the entire planet, just its surface. We already did it in Africa without any modern technology, humans made the savannahs.

[gaelic cowboy]

It is quite arrogant to think that we have the power to craft an entire planet to our liking.

The fine agricultural land in America begs to differ Vuk if left alone it will revert the wild in a few years.

That by the way is an awful lot of land which would affect local climate.

[Montmorency]

I'm interested in hearing about the ups and downs of geo-engineering again. Lemur?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm interested in hearing about the ups and downs of geo-engineering again.

I have actually read of a few theoretical geo-engineering ideas that don't sound *that* far-fetched.One of them were a fleet of cheap long vertical tubes that pumped cold water from below up to the surface to cool surface temperatures down. They were powered by extracting energy from the waves if I remember correctly. Not exactly practical but not a giant space mirror to reduce the sunlight hitting the earth.Also, idk if this counts as geo-engineering but there were trials (I think) with artifical cloud seeding to promote water droplet formation and rain in dry areas.

[Sigurd]

Its established science that the earth will go through long-term climate changes. If the human race survives for 100,000 more years, we'll witness drastic climate change. This is a fact.

This fact has existed since the birth of this planet. Whether by human influence or not, the climate changes and will do so for the unforeseeable future.
Agriculture existed on Greenland a millenia ago and will so again and there is probably nothing we can do about it.
Grapes were found on the North of the east coast of America and perhaps they will be found again.
Lush forests were found on Spitsbergen at one time, maybe this will occur again? We mine its remnants today and releases the carbon they bound in coal burning power plants.
As humans we move around where the nature will let us settle. We follow the retreating glacier and remove ourselves from their advances.
We have done so since the dawn of man... it is only now that we want to impose our will on a ever changing nature. We want it stagnate and controlled.

[gaelic cowboy]

This fact has existed from the birth of this planet. Whether by human influence or not, the climate changes and will do so for the unforeseeable future.
Agriculture existed on Greenland a millenia ago and will so again and there is probably nothing we can do about it.
Grapes were found on the North of the east coast of America and perhaps they will be found again.
Lush forests were found on Spitsbergen at one time, maybe this will occur again? We mine its remnants today and releases the carbon they bound in coal burning power plants.
As humans we move around where the nature will let us settle. We follow the retreating glacier and remove ourselves from their advances.
We have done so since the dawn of man... it is only now that we want to impose our will on a ever changing nature. We want it stagnate and controlled.

What exactly does that prove apart from happens, the aim for humainty should always be to try to interfere as little as possible. Things will change on there own but at least we might have time to adapt due to our technology and intellectual capacity.

We may not have enough time to change to what were unleashing in the future and yes maybe we will adapt in time but it's a big guess.

Also it will likely be 7 or 8 billion people by then and thats not likely to be able to be moved easily, a massivge enough change could kill 2 or 3 billion. However the big danger is climate change and wars waged by nations litterally for survival in the resultant changed climate.

That could give us drastic climate change and nuclear war which would likely either extinguish or severely stunt humanity.

[Slyspy]

And what was the estimated human population last time we ran away from the glaciers? What were the settlement patterns?