Houston we have problem

**rvg** · 04-17-2012, 20:38

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Ok I understand the first one, number of housing and subsiquent power usage far outweighs number of shops but the second confuses me.
Also it doesnt really help much seeing as these 9-5 shops have thier lights on at full blast, all night, for no apparant reason, the only one I could think of is attracting attention for advertisment purposes and that really becomes moot after midnight.

Just because they are wasting energy, it does not obligate you to follow suit. There's really no good reason to burn lights if *you* don't need them.

**Greyblades** · 04-17-2012, 20:41

I dont, generally, I feel like somethings gone wrong when I'm yelled at for not turning off my energy saver lightbulb in the livingroom every now and then, when noones commenting on the 200+ mini spotlights lighting up clearly empty shops at the dead of night.

**rvg** · 04-17-2012, 20:46

Originally Posted by Greyblades

I dont, yet I fail to see the distiction between my energy saver lightbulb in the livingroom I'm constantly reminded to turn off and the 200+ industrial spotlights lighting up clearly empty shops, especially when its me getting yelled at.

You're not getting yelled at. The appeal is made to the public, because public is directly in control of their power usage. There are no CEO, no management to consult with. You are in control of your switch. Your contribution however small *will* make a difference. Gotta start somewhere.

**Greyblades** · 04-17-2012, 20:50

Wait, they're buisnesses, there's almost by definition a CEO to consult with. So why arent they getting pettitioned to turned thier lights off?

**rvg** · 04-17-2012, 20:57

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Wait, they're buisnesses, there's almost by definition a CEO to consult with. So why arent they getting pettitioned to turned thier lights off?

Why does it matter?

**Greyblades** · 04-17-2012, 20:59

Well the simple principle of: "I get told off for leaving a light on and those jerks dont, why not? Grr grr"

**rvg** · 04-17-2012, 21:02

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Well the simple principle of: "I get told off for leaving a light on and those jerks dont, why not? Grr grr"

You're still entitled to burn as much energy as you like, whether you need it or not. The question is, why do it if you don't need it?

**gaelic cowboy** · 04-18-2012, 01:45

Originally Posted by Greyblades

I dont, generally, I feel like somethings gone wrong when I'm yelled at for not turning off my energy saver lightbulb in the livingroom every now and then, when noones commenting on the 200+ mini spotlights lighting up clearly empty shops at the dead of night.

If I had to guess there probably LED downlights basically only a couple of watts at most. 4 maybe 5 watt instead of 40 or 50 watt halogen

**Tellos Athenaios** · 04-18-2012, 02:46

Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

If I had to guess there probably LED downlights basically only a couple of watts at most. 4 maybe 5 watt instead of 40 or 50 watt halogen

Quite. It's all about the amps, anyway and most of these lights work with small currents. (An indication LED needs about 10mA for instance, which is still a lot.)

For instance large neon signs don't require particularly much power, they work similar to LED's only at much bigger voltages. So if you have a neon sign which operates at 10-20kV voltage, and assuming current draw is about the same as an indication LED (surely wrong but you get the point) then that's still only 10-20W of power.