Major Robert Dump 12:30 04-20-2012
That rape rate cited is pretty consistent throughout most of Africa. It's not a south African thing, it's an African thing. And Haitian thing. And Brazilian thing. Oh wait.
Rhyfelwyr 13:19 04-20-2012
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump:
It's not a south African thing, it's an African thing. And Haitian thing. And Brazilian thing. Oh wait.
There comes a point where you have to wonder if it really is due to a thousand and one abstract, unquantifiable factors, or if it's just down to the quality of people.
I didn't expect much more from a country where the President rapes a woman then washes his privates in the shower to protect against AIDS.
I've heard a bit about the situation there from being in contact with Afrikaners through some Reformed Christian forums. All I can say is I hope that the Afrikaner people get their own state because things are taking a really ugly turn there.
Greyblades 13:27 04-20-2012
I'm starting to think we shouldnt have been in such a rush to let some of them leave the empires. Actually scratch that, we gave them the chance to do thier own thing and some flosrished, though I feel we should have at least interviened when a bunch of them turned into hellholes.
Edit: then again desert storm showed how badly that could go. I dunno, I feel we shouldnt just sit back and watch them crash and burn.
Edit2: Um I'm starting top get that "woefully ignorant about the true facts of the situation" feeling again.
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump:
That rape rate cited is pretty consistent throughout most of Africa. It's not a south African thing, it's an African thing.
Do you have any evidence for that claim? I've spent my working life researching sub-Saharan Africa and this is the first time I've heard of it. First google search hit ("rape incidence by region") produces:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita
which does not support your claim at all.
Originally Posted by :
And Haitian thing. And Brazilian thing. Oh wait.
What are you trying to say here? Nudge-nudge wink-wink comments that about race seem to becoming fashionable in the backroom of late (see also the Zimmerman thread). Is that what you are indulging in or have I missed the point?
gaelic cowboy 17:01 04-27-2012
Isnt there a problem that countries in the West are more likely to have reliable stats on this anyway as opposed to say in Equitorial Africa.
Also how likely is someone to report rape in say Saudi or for that matter how much of a chance is it capable happening if women dont go outside??
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy:
Isnt there a problem that countries in the West are more likely to have reliable stats on this anyway as opposed to say in Equitorial Africa.
Also how likely is someone to report rape in say Saudi or for that matter how much of a chance is it capable happening if women dont go outside??
All quite true. It is also true that rape-rates have declined precipitously in most Western countries and are at an all time low, claims such as, "one in four" or even "one in three women are survivors" does not actually refer to penetrative rape, but to general sexual assault, and even then they sidestep the fact that there are villages if not regions where
every woman and girl has been penetratively raped multiple times.
gaelic cowboy 17:26 04-27-2012
Plus the old myth of tablets in the drink is a favoured one of obviously completely steamed up women. Apparently there has never been an actual case of date rape druging in Ireland according to the Gardai.
Funnily enough there were posters and leaflets were all over college when I was there, and stories of it happening to friend of a friends mate.(urban legends for sure)
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy:
Plus the old myth of tablets in the drink is a favoured one of obviously completely steamed up women. Apparently there has never been an actual case of date rape druging in Ireland according to the Gardai.
Funnily enough there were posters and leaflets were all over college when I was there, and stories of it happening to friend of a friends mate.(urban legends for sure)
Having said that, tipsy women abandoned on their own can be vulnerable to being plied with drink and possibly other substances, where there is a clear intent on the part of the man. If she is drug enough when her girlfriends abandon here you could call that rape, as she really isn't in her right mind and really no more compus mentus than if she were unconcious.
gaelic cowboy 17:41 04-27-2012
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
Having said that, tipsy women abandoned on their own can be vulnerable to being plied with drink and possibly other substances, where there is a clear intent on the part of the man. If she is drug enough when her girlfriends abandon here you could call that rape, as she really isn't in her right mind and really no more compus mentus than if she were unconcious.
Yes but if you ask me in the majority of the cases the likelyhood is both parties were flat out drunk anyway already. They then proceeded to have away with it in an alley or nightclub toilet, waking the next mornig not havin a clue.
Not saying there are not predators out there cos we know there are, I just take the stats with a kilo of salt usually.
Major Robert Dump 22:31 04-30-2012
Originally Posted by
econ21:
Do you have any evidence for that claim? I've spent my working life researching sub-Saharan Africa and this is the first time I've heard of it. First google search hit ("rape incidence by region") produces:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita
which does not support your claim at all.
What are you trying to say here? Nudge-nudge wink-wink comments that about race seem to becoming fashionable in the backroom of late (see also the Zimmerman thread). Is that what you are indulging in or have I missed the point?
Wow. You missed the point.
I didn't realize that I needed to prove that rape is an issue in Africa. Note I said "Africa" and not sub sahara Africa. I notice your link, which lists countries and not continents, hardly has any African countries on it. Those stats are a joke, dude. I mean seriously. What, did they just go by police reports, arrests and convictions? Well, the Rwandan police have always been known for their professionalism and thoroughness, so yeah, I am sure rape hardly ever happens there because if it did they would have said something. I am also sure that certain culural norms, like a husband being "due" sex or a war fighter claiming his secret pay, were taken into due consideration when compiling this list. What a farce.
Haiti and Brazil are both superstitious, patriarchal kleptocracies with pockets of stability and swaths of vast ghettos. My point was that places that are unstable by our standards are typically going to have higher incidences of rape in general, where the "Stable" places will have rape that is concentrated in certain locations and demographics. Also, I didn't realize Brazil was in Africa so yeah, that was totally about race. You got me. FYI I could have just as easily added a laundry list of other countries to my list, which is why I said "oh wait"
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