Merkel Is Getting Me All Hot And Bothered

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I'm not Cornish, I'm part Welsh. What I know is that the Cornish language died out and there have been recent efforts to rivive it, with mixed results, that Cornish nationalism is inherrently racist (membership of certain Cornish pressure groups requires x number of Cornish ancestors).

Interesting. I wonder how does Cornish culture stand apart from English culture. With their language not being used and all, what does make one Cornish, is it last names or something? On a related note WTF is going on with this independence epidemic in Britain? Is it a new phenomenon?

[Rhyfelwyr]

Interesting. I wonder how does Cornish culture stand apart from English culture. With their language not being used and all, what does make one Cornish, is it last names or something? On a related note WTF is going on with this independence epidemic in Britain? Is it a new phenomenon?

Look at the Troubles in Ireland, very few Catholics could speak any degree of Irish Gaelic.

This trend towards separatism and devolution to the regions is a trend across all of Europe.

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This trend towards separatism and devolution to the regions is a trend across all of Europe.

Oh, I can see that. What I fail to see is logic behind that, at least when it comes to Western Europe.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Interesting. I wonder how does Cornish culture stand apart from English culture. With their language not being used and all, what does make one Cornish, is it last names or something? On a related note WTF is going on with this independence epidemic in Britain? Is it a new phenomenon?

Is it a new phenomonen? No.

Partly, it has to do with the expansion of the franchise, accross Europe the old Elite had more in common with each other than the people they rules - and those people often had nothing in commen at all. Boradly, the Celts HATE, and I mean that, the English. It's pure and naked racism, a Welshman/Scotsman/Irishman, which actually say to your face, "I hate the English, but you're alright" just the same as "I hate balcks, but you're alright." The reality is that the "English" don't really exist, IA and I have less in commen probably than I have with the Welsh and he with the Scots, but there are 50 million "English" and the "Celtic Fringe" together make only 10 million, so "Englishness" tends to dominate through sheer numbers.

As to how English culture and Cornish culture differ, that depends, between Devon, Cornwall and Somerset there's much of muchness at first glance, but the Cornish dialect a varient on the West Saxon spoken on the other side of the border which contains more Cornish remnants, but the major difference is that the Cornish are primarily miners and sheep herders, with some milk cows, whilst in Devon we primarily produce beef, lamb, corn, oats, and apples.

That may not sound like a difference to you, but it affects our civil institutions, such as the "Stannery" Parliament in Cornwall created to air the views of Cornish Tin Miners.

Well that is surprising, usually the nationalisms of the smaller Celtic fringe places tends to be more civic-orientated and left-leaning, and certainly not racist. You do live in Cornwall, right?

They're still left-wingish but there is a far more overtyl geneticist view of "Cornishness" because of the blurry of the line between Devon and Cornwall, and I actually live on the English side of the border.

On the other hand, they sell England tops at Ibrox and a lot of Rangers fans like to wear them, to the dismay of everyone else.

Exception that proves the rule?

Oh, I can see that. What I fail to see is logic behind that, at least when it comes to Western Europe.

Pan-Europeanism seeks to dismantle the Nation-State so we can all live together in Peace and Harmony, wht we are beggining to see though is that the Nation State held together lots of belligerant regional or ethnic fiefdoms. Rhy mentioned the IRA, but what is almost never mention are the analogous Welsh and Cornish terrorists, mostly because they only destroyed property and not people.

Also, grudges are nursed over centuries here, the Scottish National Party's referendum on independance will be held on the 700th Anniversary of Bannockburn (the bit at the end of Braveheart).

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Partly, it has to do with the expansion of the franchise, accross Europe the old Elite had more in common with each other than the people they rules - and those people often had nothing in commen at all. Boradly, the Celts HATE, and I mean that, the English. It's pure and naked racism, a Welshman/Scotsman/Irishman, which actually say to your face, "I hate the English, but you're alright" just the same as "I hate balcks, but you're alright."

Oy carramba, this is childish. Do they even know why they hate the English?

As to how English culture and Cornish culture differ, that depends, between Devon, Cornwall and Somerset there's much of muchness at first glance, but the Cornish dialect a varient on the West Saxon spoken on the other side of the border which contains more Cornish remnants, but the major difference is that the Cornish are primarily miners and sheep herders, with some milk cows, whilst in Devon we primarily produce beef, lamb, corn, oats, and apples.

Okay, but how does being part of England impede their daily lives?

That may not sound like a difference to you, but it affects our civil institutions, such as the "Stannery" Parliament in Cornwall created to air the views of Cornish Tin Miners.

You're right, it doesn't.

Pan-Europeanism seeks to dismantle the Nation-State so we can all live together in Peace and Harmony, wht we are beggining to see though is that the Nation State held together lots of belligerant regional or ethnic fiefdoms. Rhy mentioned the IRA, but what is almost never mention are the analogous Welsh and Cornish terrorists, mostly because they only destroyed property and not people.

This is one thing that has always puzzled me about the Old World: they nurture these centuries old hatreds as if those hatreds were backed by practical reasons, while in reality of course these are just tantrums that have absolutely no place in the 3rd millenium.

Also, grudges are nursed over centuries here, the Scottish National Party's referendum on independance will be held on the 700th Anniversary of Bannockburn (the bit at the end of Braveheart).

Yes, I remember, it went something like this: "and so, in the year 1314 the Scottish army, starving and outnumbered faced off against the English crown in a final battle, but we do not have the budget to show it. The End."

[gaelic cowboy]

Look at the Troubles in Ireland, very few Catholics could speak any degree of Irish Gaelic.

This trend towards separatism and devolution to the regions is a trend across all of Europe.

The separitism trend is to an extent aping the separtism and secularising trend of earlier times in Europe in places like France, Hungary and the Czech Republic. These places had movements of Protestants joining forces with more moderate elements in Catholism the outcome and driving forces were different in each of the cases.

Essentially in Scotland I detect a simmilar dynamic though the need for secularisation is not the driving force here obviously. If I had to guess I would say the Protesstant/Unionist/Loyalist community is arguing amongst itself about the future(not neccessarily indpendence) and people outside that dynamic be they Catholics, immigrants or otherwise are allying with non-unionists.