So... What's the protocol when you find out via facebook that...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Seems like you only went into religion because some cute girl talked you into it and then you used/are using it as a crutch for your complete mental breakdown.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Seems like you only went into religion because some cute girl talked you into it and then you used/are using it as a crutch for your complete mental breakdown.

ACIN, I'm starting to think you don't like me.

You're wrong, as it happens. I was an angry man in 2005 because I didn't want to believe in God. She was the first normal non-creepy Christian with a genuine relationship with God I had met. She was also an important emotional crutch to me when my relationship with my family broke down after they found out I was a Christian.

The other important person was a second year theology student who introduced me to intellectual Christianity over the Officer Training Corps selection weekend (we both failed) and who I never saw again.

[a completely inoffensive name]

ACIN, I'm starting to think you don't like me.

I guess I should clarify something about myself and the way I conduct myself on here. I do not hate you in anyway. I don't feel any malevolence that you feel and think the way that you do. I hate the consequences though, of people who think in a way that I think is ultimately destructive to what I envision as a free and just society.

Take for example, Frags. Nice guy. Very good taste in movies. When he talks about global warming, I want to punch a wall because I envision people like him making decisions in positions of power. But you know, he thinks the way he thinks based on some principles about government and how it operates or has operated in the past, so I don't blame him for thinking the way he does and I don't hate him for thinking in such a way. I just would have him stick to telling me what movies are good or not. And who knows? Maybe he is right after all.

I like everyone here. Except for a few people, who I pity.

You're wrong, as it happens. I was an angry man in 2005 because I didn't want to believe in God. She was the first normal non-creepy Christian with a genuine relationship with God I had met. She was also an important emotional crutch to me when my relationship with my family broke down after they found out I was a Christian.

The other important person was a second year theology student who introduced me to intellectual Christianity over the Officer Training Corps selection weekend (we both failed) and who I never saw again.

I think young people are just angry in general. In times good and bad, youth always seem to have an underlying current of angst or anger. I think people try to place specific reasons on why they feel everything they do, when really humans just feel for the sake of feeling....I feel.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I guess I should clarify something about myself and the way I conduct myself on here. I do not hate you in anyway. I don't feel any malevolence that you feel and think the way that you do. I hate the consequences though, of people who think in a way that I think is ultimately destructive to what I envision as a free and just society.

Take for example, Frags. Nice guy. Very good taste in movies. When he talks about global warming, I want to punch a wall because I envision people like him making decisions in positions of power. But you know, he thinks the way he thinks based on some principles about government and how it operates or has operated in the past, so I don't blame him for thinking the way he does and I don't hate him for thinking in such a way. I just would have him stick to telling me what movies are good or not. And who knows? Maybe he is right after all.

I like everyone here. Except for a few people, who I pity.



I think young people are just angry in general. In times good and bad, youth always seem to have an underlying current of angst or anger. I think people try to place specific reasons on why they feel everything they do, when really humans just feel for the sake of feeling....I feel.

That's fair enough.

The simply litmus test for "it was because of the girl" is "did it stick".

Well, it's been four years and it's stuck.

[a completely inoffensive name]

That's fair enough.

The simply litmus test for "it was because of the girl" is "did it stick".

Well, it's been four years and it's stuck.

Doesn't really mean much though. You could just be experiencing Walter Sobchak syndrome.

[Rhyfelwyr]

my relationship with my family broke down after they found out I was a Christian.

If you don't mind me asking, why did that happen?

Seems like you only went into religion because some cute girl talked you into it and then you used/are using it as a crutch for your complete mental breakdown.

A bit harsh don't you think. Ultimately personal experiences do shape the beliefs we hold at different points in our lives, to be moulded in such a way is part of being human. But that is not to say that those beliefs are nothing more than a blind reaction, most people will to some degree take something more meaningful from what they go through in life.

Who are you to say that PVC's beliefs were just a crutch? You don't know him, you don't know his thought process. Considering how complicated human beings are and how little you know about PVC in particular, I think it's ridiculous for you to go throwing that sort of psychoanalysis about.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Doesn't really mean much though. You could just be experiencing Walter Sobchak syndrome.

True, but really you're just being a penis.

I was miserable because I wasn't a Christian, I don't expect you to understand that - but there it is.

If you don't mind me asking, why did that happen?

If I was an atheist from a Christian family, why would it happen?


We did sort it out though - after a couple of years.

[a completely inoffensive name]

True, but really you're just being a penis.

I really am.

I was miserable because I wasn't a Christian, I don't expect you to understand that - but there it is.

If you honestly believe that, then I believe you. You are right, I don't understand, but I believe you nevertheless.

[a completely inoffensive name]

A bit harsh don't you think. Ultimately personal experiences do shape the beliefs we hold at different points in our lives, to be moulded in such a way is part of being human. But that is not to say that those beliefs are nothing more than a blind reaction, most people will to some degree take something more meaningful from what they go through in life.

Who are you to say that PVC's beliefs were just a crutch? You don't know him, you don't know his thought process. Considering how complicated human beings are and how little you know about PVC in particular, I think it's ridiculous for you to go throwing that sort of psychoanalysis about.

If PVC wants to put himself out for everyone to take a glance at his life and take pity on him for a day or two while he finds the strength to stop e-stalking a girl, then he is going to get some uncomfortable questions. Especially if those questions are related to beliefs that I personally feel are harmful in the political sphere in regards to the legal recognition of some of my friends relationships with each other.

I never said "this is obviously what you are". I made a conjecture, and you are correct I don't know him. I don't know you Rhy, and you don't know me (I think). However, he started this thread as an "Ask Me Anything about how terrible and dysfunctional I am right now". I agree that the way I posed the question was overly blunt and aggressive and extremely rude. But that is how I talk a lot of the time and it wasn't coming from a source of meanness.

It's fine for Strike to call him an ass but heaven forbid someone question why he developed his religiosity. What do you want me to be? Mr. Nice guy like I was in the beginning where I was told essentially to bug off because I was giving the "wrong advise"?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If PVC wants to put himself out for everyone to take a glance at his life and take pity on him for a day or two while he finds the strength to stop e-stalking a girl, then he is going to get some uncomfortable questions. Especially if those questions are related to beliefs that I personally feel are harmful in the political sphere in regards to the legal recognition of some of my friends relationships with each other.

I never said "this is obviously what you are". I made a conjecture, and you are correct I don't know him. I don't know you Rhy, and you don't know me (I think). However, he started this thread as an "Ask Me Anything about how terrible and dysfunctional I am right now". I agree that the way I posed the question was overly blunt and aggressive and extremely rude. But that is how I talk a lot of the time and it wasn't coming from a source of meanness.

It's fine for Strike to call him an ass but heaven forbid someone question why he developed his religiosity. What do you want me to be? Mr. Nice guy like I was in the beginning where I was told essentially to bug off because I was giving the "wrong advise"?

As an aside, the Dawg is apparently e-stalking you.

Your chronology is confused - I am at least more relaxed about religion than I was then.

Was an element of it to please her? Possibly, but you don't appreciate, the mess I was before I met her (i.e. before I left home) and I haven't told you about all the times I quite litteraly spent sobbing in her arms.

The kind of Christian I am is certainly influenced by her, but she is a kind, gentle, empathetic individual who is immensely generous with her time, and more generous with her love than she should be.

Or to put it another way, she's a good Christian and a good role model for any Christian.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Alright, alright. I believe you PVC. I was just prodding you in a rude way. I got my answer and look like the ass I am.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Alright, alright. I believe you PVC. I was just prodding you in a rude way. I got my answer and look like the ass I am.

You sure? I have more.

[Rhyfelwyr]

If I was an atheist from a Christian family, why would it happen?


We did sort it out though - after a couple of years.

It's just that there's no real culture shock. It's not like you joined the Select Brethren and isolated yourself from all non-believers.

I ask because I feel on some level that the direction my own life has taken is a pretty self-destructive one, and that my faith and the world that it exposed me to is both an influence on and a product of that direction. I can't say that my first forage into the world of Christianity outright caused or was caused by this direction, it's like it has complemented it.

If PVC wants to put himself out for everyone to take a glance at his life and take pity on him for a day or two while he finds the strength to stop e-stalking a girl, then he is going to get some uncomfortable questions. Especially if those questions are related to beliefs that I personally feel are harmful in the political sphere in regards to the legal recognition of some of my friends relationships with each other.

I never said "this is obviously what you are". I made a conjecture, and you are correct I don't know him. I don't know you Rhy, and you don't know me (I think). However, he started this thread as an "Ask Me Anything about how terrible and dysfunctional I am right now". I agree that the way I posed the question was overly blunt and aggressive and extremely rude. But that is how I talk a lot of the time and it wasn't coming from a source of meanness.

It's fine for Strike to call him an ass but heaven forbid someone question why he developed his religiosity. What do you want me to be? Mr. Nice guy like I was in the beginning where I was told essentially to bug off because I was giving the "wrong advise"?

Look just stop it, you know the bolded bit is garbage and this is not the place for your trolling. The lame attempt to link it to some sort of emotional reaction to what PVC posted in another thread is pathetic.

My initial advice got the exact same reaction as yours, it wasn't that bad and he's allowed to vent in this sort of thread.

Even with what Strike said there can endearing element to that sort of bluntness but you are really trying to drag PVC down now. Stop it.