Hello TinCow,

Quote Originally Posted by TinCow View Post
You seem to be missing the point of reorganization. The purpose is to make it easier to navigate the site with a streamlined structure, not by hiding anything. You seem to assume that we will be making "careless cuts", and I think that criticism is unjustified.
Alright, “user-friendliness” – that is a decent goal…

However, all this come at a price and I see little worries about that here. There are no guarantees that people will not hide/collapse stuff anyway – only the (reasonable) hope that people will be less inclined to do so if the main-index is shortened. That’s still strikes me as pretty thin especially since the price of all this will be that the main index will lose detail on each game – utterly regardless what sub-sections are cut, it will lose detail. It is the only way to do this, something has too be cut to get the main index shorter, and there is little that suggests that such cuts will not be permanent once all this is fully implemented.

In light of that, it is fair to say that this will only yield temporary gains in exchange for what is probably permanent loses in detail on the main index – this on virtually all games. That’s a rather hefty price. Furthermore, the latest game is also supposedly to be exempted from this treatment which I am fundamentally against (currently STW2) – why should that be treated with privilege and favours while the other games will have to pay for this manoeuvre? There are no solid grounds for it, if there is – let’s see it. I have already explained in some detail as for why such privileges are clearly questionable if we look at these things soberly (see post: 148 and 159 in “...what would the ORG specialize in?”-thread). I have yet to see something solid that suggest otherwise and truly speak in favour for treating the latest game differently (all things considered). Thus it does strike me as warranted to raise questions about this. So far no solid enough reasons that clearly add up once we also actually consider the price involved – which should be considered here as well. And, I actually don’t need to see any proposal to be able to figure all this out. Its simple deductive logic.

As for the claimed increased visibility, I find that questionable as well, the channels (read sub-sections) for that visibility will decrease in numbers for each game (also inevitable in order to do this stuff), making each game less visible as direct result on the main index. Not the other way around. This is also plain deductive logic.

As for the forum not changing since MTW or there about… We both know that this is not true, if we are supposed to be honest here. This staff has already moved the guides sub-section from the index to a sub-for a under the regular game section. I did not question that as I can clearly see the benefits of that transfer as well. The reasons for it strike me as good enough to warrant it. Tosa in his time tried to change the forum main index as well – at least once – the result was a vivid discussion filled with objections (I was there and objected as well, even drafted a possible layout). In short, people screamed and he changed it all back again. Prior to Tosas reign, there were also structural changes to the index, but my memory is fuzzy on the details for it as I was not a member here back then. But there is little doubt that there have been both changes and attempts to change the main index after MTW was released. Besides it is a non-argument as it fails to provide actual valid grounds that speak in favour for this planned index-change anyway. The reality is that the index will get ever longer – regardless…

Now, I’ll play ball and see this proposal anyways (actually with interest) - but I will put it under some healthy scrutiny. At least somebody around here has to do it. As seemingly nobody else will, I guess I’m stuck with the task…

- A